Today UK Deaths 359 vs EU 27 of 314

[Deleted2797112]

Got a link to that?
Yahoo are still reporting it as Sir Galahad presented it.

The UK just reported more COVID-19 deaths in one day than the whole of the EU combined
https://in.news.yahoo.com/uk-corona...VeFONBChhDNwL9892TphaabF5EUKuREBkSwqiQwtcNDmm
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And Newsweek

U.K. Has More Coronavirus Deaths in One Day Than All EU Countries Combined
https://www.newsweek.com/uk-has-more-coronavirus-deaths-one-day-all-eu-countries-combined-1508534​

And Metro

UK reported more deaths yesterday than all of 27 EU nations combined
https://metro.co.uk/2020/06/04/uk-reported-deaths-yesterday-27-eu-nations-combined-12803278/​

And the Times

UK declares more coronavirus deaths in one day than EU states combined
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/uk-declares-more-deaths-in-one-day-than-all-eu-countries-combined-6sf7bbcrs​

And I'm sure, many more.

From the Newsweek link:

"Though the data in the WHO's report appears to show a stark difference between the number of new deaths U.K. health officials reported Wednesday and the 332 COVID-19 deaths reported by the EU's 27 countries, the organization warned in the report that the data was not complete and that all countries were operating on different virus-reporting timelines. For the U.K., the number of deaths included in the WHO's report were from Tuesday, when health officials reported 324 new deaths.

Differences are to be expected between information products published by WHO, national public health authorities, and other sources using different inclusion criteria and different data cut-off times," the WHO's report said. "While steps are taken to ensure accuracy and reliability, all data are subject to continuous verification and change."

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

From the Newsweek link:

"Though the data in the WHO's report appears to show a stark difference between the number of new deaths U.K. health officials reported Wednesday and the 332 COVID-19 deaths reported by the EU's 27 countries, the organization warned in the report that the data was not complete and that all countries were operating on different virus-reporting timelines. For the U.K., the number of deaths included in the WHO's report were from Tuesday, when health officials reported 324 new deaths.

Differences are to be expected between information products published by WHO, national public health authorities, and other sources using different inclusion criteria and different data cut-off times," the WHO's report said. "While steps are taken to ensure accuracy and reliability, all data are subject to continuous verification and change."

We know there are problems comparing different country's mortality totals and rates..
But neither the comment in Newsweek, nor the FT article that fillyboy claimed to declare Sir Galahad's article as fake news, does neither.
Indeed the article in the FT, that fillyboy used, argued that Spain's data is unreliable. Why, because the Spanish government only report the deaths in the previous 24 hours. And we know there are delays in collating all the data. (Erm, isn't that exactly the same as the UK government?)
Any unreported deaths are added later as a weekly update. (Erm, very much like UK ONS reporting catch-up).

In addition, Spain added some 12,000 deaths to their total of deaths from all causes, that had been previously unreported. (Erm, just like UK adding the Care Homes deaths to the total.)

 

[Deleted2797112]

If you take the headline at face value, it is true that the UK REPORTED more deaths on a particular date. The implication is that the UK on that particular date HAD more deaths than the whole of the EU put together. That is probably untrue (fake) due to the known shortcomings in the reporting across Europe. Getting a better handle on true mortality rates is going to take a long time. Jumping to conclusions now about which countries are doing better or worse is very premature.

 

[Bodgedbuild]

I think most governments have made mistakes (ours included) and it has been a steep learning curve, however The Global Health Security Index has placed The U.K rather high in its scoring so maybe, just maybe, our Government, our SAGE committee, haven't done too bad a job. Skip to page 26 if you don't fancy reading the whole report.....
https://www.ghsindex.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/2019-Global-Health-Security-Index.pdf

 

[ajohn]

Original story here.

https://www.ft.com/content/77eb7a13-cd26-41dd-9642-616708b43673

Our best idea of deaths is a 7day rolling average and also has reporting lag problems. Need to wait for Spain's 7 day results even if reporting hasn't been as it should be. For all anybody knows it could be 100% correct. There are always some about that will bring things up and reporters are very good at finding them but no method of knowing just how valid these reports are. You should have heard one spouting about masks on TV tonight. Shortly people will have to wear them on public transport so find some one to say oh no some way or the other. We even have an alternate SAGE committee these days. I'd guess reporters chose than name.

To be honest I suspect politics is beginning to kick in around decisions. They may come to regret it or things might work out. Hospital entries in England in total have been pretty level now for 2 weeks or has it. The brief shows estimated figures. The surveillance report shows something else.

Our problem at the moment is bleats from various sectors. A catch22 problem. We currently have more people carrying the virus around than the number that started it all. A lot more. We also have rather a lot of people who haven't caught it, far more. The only answer is an economic one at a suitable point in time or unemployment. On the other hand people have had to find a different way of earning a living in the past at times. That in some cases may have to happen again. I have seen millions loose theirs also loads of people I knew. Far too many of them. I don't even like thinking about it as have no idea what happened to most of them.

Facts. Some of the UK's handling of cv19 is rather strange. Politics is used to saying all sorts with plenty of time before results actually show - results on cv19 aspects are apparent pretty quickly - testing for instance. More will probably crop up later.

 

[Notch7]

If you take the headline at face value, it is true that the UK REPORTED more deaths on a particular date. The implication is that the UK on that particular date HAD more deaths than the whole of the EU put together. That is probably untrue (fake) due to the known shortcomings in the reporting across Europe. Getting a better handle on true mortality rates is going to take a long time. Jumping to conclusions now about which countries are doing better or worse is very premature.

yes that is certainly true, but whichever way the cat is skinned, the UK are doing pretty badly and we have a government being run by spin not governance. They are playing games with the numbers, no wonder the govts trust rating is so low.

If only this govt would just be honest -every country is and has been struggling, its a novel virus, mistakes will be made but just tell us the truth.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

I think most governments have made mistakes (ours included) and it has been a steep learning curve, however The Global Health Security Index has placed The U.K rather high in its scoring so maybe, just maybe, our Government, our SAGE committee, haven't done too bad a job. Skip to page 26 if you don't fancy reading the whole report.....
https://www.ghsindex.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/2019-Global-Health-Security-Index.pdf

Err, notice any problem with that report, and its relevance to Covid 19

Also, it's in the URL

In addition, the government's policy influences the country's ability to deal with such pandemics.

 

[ajohn]

I think most governments have made mistakes (ours included) and it has been a steep learning curve, however The Global Health Security Index has placed The U.K rather high in its scoring so maybe, just maybe, our Government, our SAGE committee, haven't done too bad a job. Skip to page 26 if you don't fancy reading the whole report.....
https://www.ghsindex.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/10/2019-Global-Health-Security-Index.pdf

Take that lot seriously

The index was first published in 2019 and said , among other things, that "no country is fully prepared for epidemics or pandemics, and every country has important gaps to address".[2] The countries in the category "most prepared" were - in alphabetical order - Australia, Canada, Finland, France, the Netherlands, South Korea, Sweden, Thailand, the United Kingdom and the United States. The United States was ranked first with an index value of 83.5 out of 100. The largest number of countries in the category "least prepared" was in Western and Central Africa.[3]

The GHS index came to prominence during the 2020 outbreak of the COVID-19 pandemic. The map was used by President Donald Trump as part of his argument that the United States was the best prepared country in the world for a pandemic; one of the consultants who worked on the project said that while the while the US does rank at the top for the index, there were areas for improvement.[4] An article in The Lancet attacked the report, saying that countries which were ranked the most prepared, such as the United States and the United Kingdom, fared worse amid the pandemic than countries in Asia and Africa which ranked lower.[5]; the index published an article in the wake of the pandemic which said that the position of the United States on the GHS Index Score did not reflect its preparedness to respond to potentially catastrophic infectious disease outbreaks.[6]

Some Asian countries are way way ahead with dealing with things like CV19 - even China

 

[Bodgedbuild]

Err, notice any problem with that report, and its relevance to Covid 19
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at least I got the maybe bit right then!

 

[Deleted2797112]

but whichever way the cat is skinned, the UK are doing pretty badly

You have no evidence of this. The numbers at this stage cannot be relied on - you just accepted that.

 

[fillyboy]

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7/ To be clear, this is what Spain’s data for daily deaths looks like over the last week or so

Guess when they introduced the counting method change...




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[fillyboy]

And guess when UK had more deaths than the whole of the EU combined.

 

[Notch7]

You have no evidence of this.

are you serious?

The numbers at this stage cannot be relied on -

use whatever metric you like, this country has done badly

and that is backed up by the poor decisions the government made:
herd immunity
slow lockdown -remember Cheltenham, REM concert, football etc etc
no restrictions to travel from abroad
slow ordering of PPE
sending patients back to care homes
dishonest playing games with the maths
dishonest claims on test and trace 'were going to have a world beating test and trace....but we dont know when itll be available.

So stop blindly supporting this government and accept that yes, there is lots of evidence.

 

[Notch7]

And guess when UK had more deaths than the whole of the EU combined.

when this government failed badly I expect

 

[fillyboy]

when this government failed badly I expect

And when Spain excelled by reducing their daily deaths from nearly 300 to 0 almost overnight,

Hallelujah, a miracle.