Trouble at mill.

[Stivino]

If intelligent discussions about sensitive issues like sex, is too difficult for you, it's best you don't attempt it..

Keep on trollin'.

 

[Justin Passing]

Bits are not "wrong"

Your mind might tell you you don't like the hand you've been dealt.

Sex is a fact, it is not a matter of preference.

Very rarely, you might happen to have an abnormality or deformity that you wish to be corrected, but this is not at all the same as a man who says "I am a woman"

It's not "wrong", no, but the sex doesn't match the gender, in the sense that it's come out in a way which doesn't most clearly support survival of the species! Most certainly "like" having the match. If you feel there's no gender other than sex, would you be in gender terms, "Pan"? In other words as happy or not to go have sexual relations with a male or a female?
It's not "abnormal" but most people aren't like that, whether we/you/they acknowledge it or not, most do express a self-identity of gender which encourages them to attraction of one sex or the other, and the science says, that may not match the genitals.
It's easy enough to prove, by monitoring physiological responses to standardised stimuli.
The responses often don't tie up completely heterosexually.
These are autonomic responses, not borne of any trauma or volition.

If anyone thinks that's impossible, then they should go get educated. Start with the Kinsey report, and then many which followed.
If you think all of that's all wrong and you're right, "bigot" fits. Remember it's not all about you - unless you make yourself stick out.
A reason often proposed, revolves around an unhappiness with oneself.

The transitioning thing is relatively new. Was it that nobody ever used to want to, or is/was it social pressure, or a millennial mental illness? The gay people I know well enough for a discussion certainly don't want to change, but can tell about people they know who felt traumatised all the time, until they changed. Doctors, psychologists, neurologists agree, yes it happens. It's not all that rare.
I wouldn't know how trans people feel, but I'm not arrogant enough to accuse them of anything. I don't mind what people do, as long as they're honest about it. I used to find it unsettling, but that was from my parents' attitude, I'm over that.
Matthew Parris has an article- the pigeon-holing part I can easily agree with.

 

[gant]

Interesting article on the mermaids charity by Julie Bindel in the link you posted.

Is sanity returning to the trans debate?

At last, Mermaids, the UK charity for, in their own words, ‘gender variant and transgender children’ is under the spotlight. Following investigations by the Telegraph and Mail newspapers, as well as demands from critics concerned about child safeguarding, the Charity Commission has launched a...

www.spectator.co.uk

 

[Pat ex]

You mean gender can be ambiguous. Sex is assigned at birth according to genitalia.

How much of your link did you read?

Society often sees maleness and femaleness as a biological binary. However, there are issues with this distinction. For instance, the chromosomal markers are not always clear-cut. Some male babies are born with two or three X chromosomes, just as some female babies are born with a Y chromosome.

Also, some babies are born with atypical genitalia due to a difference in sex development.
This type of difference was once called a “disorder of sex development,” but this term is problematic. In a 2015 surveyTrusted Source, most respondents perceived the term negatively. A further review found that many people do not use it at all, and instead use “intersex.”

Being intersex can mean different things. For example, a person might have genitals or internal sex organs that fall outside of typical binary categories. Or, a person might have a different combination of chromosomes. Some people do not know that they are intersex until they reach puberty.

Biologists have started to discussTrusted Source the idea that sex may be a spectrum. This is not a new concept but one that has taken time to come into the public consciousness. For example, the idea of sex as a spectrum was discussed in a 1993 article published by the New York Academy of Sciences.

From your link.

Sex and gender: Meanings, definition, identity, and expression

Sex and gender are different. Sex is assigned at birth, while gender is how a person identifies. Gender encompasses a broad spectrum. Learn more here.

www.medicalnewstoday.com

Sex is not binary, it is a spectrum. But the legal registration of a baby's sex offers only a binary choice.
It's like relationships, at one time the only possibility was a marriage between a man and a woman, but the social concepts and the law has evolved to allow gay marriage, contractual partnerships, even multi-partner relationships are allowed informally now.
The legal option of binary sex needs to catch up with the science, but bigotry in society is holding it back, just as it held back the evolution of recognisable relationships.

 

[Pat ex]

Interesting article on the mermaids charity by Julie Bindel in the link you posted.

Is sanity returning to the trans debate?

At last, Mermaids, the UK charity for, in their own words, ‘gender variant and transgender children’ is under the spotlight. Following investigations by the Telegraph and Mail newspapers, as well as demands from critics concerned about child safeguarding, the Charity Commission has launched a...

www.spectator.co.uk

Julie Bindel is an English radical feminist writer. She is also co-founder of the law reform group Justice for Women,

Nuff said.

Who posted that link?

 

[gant]

Are you seeking approval for a bit of a free for all for sexual deviants and perverts.?
Did you read Justin passing link? Pretty obvious if you did.

 

[Odds]

Interesting article on the mermaids charity by Julie Bindel in the link you posted.

Is sanity returning to the trans debate?

At last, Mermaids, the UK charity for, in their own words, ‘gender variant and transgender children’ is under the spotlight. Following investigations by the Telegraph and Mail newspapers, as well as demands from critics concerned about child safeguarding, the Charity Commission has launched a...

www.spectator.co.uk

An article in the Times on Saturday* talked about Mermaids and it was shocking to learn their website has an unmoderated forum where [they] 'sometimes suggest a young person uses an email address their primary carers have no access to'...the charity insists it does not give medical advice [but] much of the discussion revolves around the idea of medical transition as a solution to various problems. On the forum, which has around 700 members, children share their excitement at the prospect of starting hormone treatment. Mermaids continues to promote puberty blockers as a safe and reversible treatment, despite a medical consensus that the long term impact on teenage development remains unknown.
When an unhappy youngster shares their phone number, Snapchat and Instagram handles, it is left to another user, rather than a moderator, to warn "are you sure it's a good idea..."
This is a highly unsatisfactory manner in which vulnerable children should be allowed to explore these complex and sensitive issues without guidance from a parent or a trained counsellor.

*by Lucy Bannerman

 

[Odds]

As I said earlier it's interesting the posts pat replies too than the ones he doesn't.
Perhaps he could tell us where he sits on beastiality.
Today I've identified as a pig and hope to get lucky with one the inmates down at the pig farm.
If the farmer calls the police, will he be unable to do anything as we're just pigs together having a bit of fun.

You can change your name to Clark Kent, if you wish...but it won't make you Superman

 

[Pat ex]

As I said earlier it's interesting the posts pat replies too than the ones he doesn't.

FYI, I don't bother with the weird comments posted by the weirdos.

Like this one for example:

Are you seeking approval for a bit of a free for all for sexual deviants and perverts.?
Did you read Justin passing link? Pretty obvious if you did.

And this one:

Perhaps he could tell us where he sits on beastiality.
Today I've identified as a pig and hope to get lucky with one the inmates down at the pig farm.
If the farmer calls the police, will he unable to do anything as we're just pigs together having a bit of fun.

 

[Pat ex]

An article in the Times on Saturday* talked about Mermaids and it was shocking to learn their website has an unmoderated forum where [they] 'sometimes suggest a young person uses an email address their primary carers have no access to'...the charity insists it does not give medical advice [but] much of the discussion revolves around the idea of medical transition as a solution to various problems. On the forum, which has around 700 members, children share their excitement at the prospect of starting hormone treatment. Mermaids continues to promote puberty blockers as a safe and reversible treatment, despite a medical consensus that the long term impact on teenage development remains unknown.
When an unhappy youngster shares their phone number, Snapchat and Instagram handles, it is left to another user, rather than a moderator, to warn "are you sure it's a good idea..."
This is a highly unsatisfactory manner in which vulnerable children should be allowed to explore these complex and sensitive issues without guidance from a parent or a trained counsellor.

*by Lucy Bannerman

Yes, there are some irresponsible social media sites operating.
Some host overt racist contributions, dangerous conspiracy theories, fake news, islamophobic comments, even suggestions of bombing other countries back to the stone age, and the disclosing of others' personal data without their consent.

I'd support more regulation of social media sites by something like an Ombudsman, licensing, or other processes that ensure better control over content.

Incidentally, the writer of that article is associated with the Orwell Foundation, The Orwell Foundation exists "to perpetuate the achievements of the British writer George Orwell"

Don't tell andy11. He lives for that kind of stuff.

 

[gant]

Any mention of the word mermaids in that post, nope.

 

[Pat ex]

Can understand why you don't want to answer.

I'm glad you understand.
TBH, I'm surprised I had to explain it to you.

 

[ajohn]

I wonder if some can read at times. Quotes
They are Labour Women’s Declaration, a gender-critical group of women who believe that biological sex cannot be replaced with self-declared gender identity, and that women have the right to access single-sex sports, spaces and services such as prisons and domestic abuse refuges.

A certain Tory PM hopeful expressed the same opinion in more or less the same way rather forcibly. Well received as well.

The concern
The leftwing gender-critical women I know have concerns about charities and schools teaching gender non-conforming young children that liking things stereotypically associated with the other sex might mean they’re born in the wrong body; and concerns about the medicalisation of children with gender dysphoria with puberty-blocking drugs that have potentially serious long-term impacts for bone and brain health.

Yet more - aims
However, they are also clear about the importance of robust legal protections against discrimination for trans people, and that ensuring single-sex services are available for women and girls should not preclude the provision of, for example, gender-neutral services and open-category sports for those who would prefer them.

There is a loosely related subject. The Labour Papers leaked to AlJ concerning anti Zionism.

Freedom of speach in political areas are not as open as they might be as some one or the other will jump on some aspects - for rather obvious reasons. The groups that jump on things are the ones that are being discussed and the oposition are rather likely to jump in as well. Factual aspects get forgotten,

 

[ajohn]

So whose behind it all ? the majority of the public have no interest in it, why are labour running with it ?

Politicians are behind it as it's what they do. This one is an area that does need some sorting out in law. The Tory have made similar noises as I pointed out. There are distinct differences between tans either way and as people are born. Some trans want no differences at all or maybe they don't. Pass never met one.

Anyway some as usual have distorted what the Guardian article actually says. In Labour's case it wont be a prime target and similar is bound to crop up from all at some point.

 

[gant]

What makes you think politicians are behind it? You not think they have their strings pulled.?
After all why go all blairite, sideline the lefties and then shoot yourself in the foot with this minority subject.