Trouble at mill.

[diy_fun_uk]

If anyone wanted to take issue with your experience of your journey, they would.
But as no-one appears interested, you can rest assured that we're happy to accept your recollection. Whether it is true or not, who knows, and who cares?

No one should care, it was (very) evidently a completely made-up story used as a narrative vehicle to make a point

 

[gant]

You don't know where I get all my information from you troll in training.

Troll in training, like that one. Success rate 5 % or a bit to high?

 

[securespark]

That's the situation some folk realise is their position when they start to self-identify as one gender or another.

What about the others?

What about children whose parents insist they want to change and are pushing for medication?

 

[gant]

No one should care, it was (very) evidently a completely made-up story used as a narrative vehicle to make a point

I liked how the show pony and the narcissist came out again and he was telling a 'joke' as though he's onside with everyone. When it was an all to familiar story of how he's got the joke delivery of Starmer at his best.

 

[gant]

Anybody else thinking of going into ironing pubescent girls breasts given the scale it's being carried out over here?
Due to the state of the economy it could be something to look in to keep some food on the table.

 

[Pat ex]

When I read your link, it says 18 infants, of whom 15 were male and had a abnormality in testicles or testosterone.

It said nothing of the sort. It described a condition which give rise to such symptoms:

Fifteen of the newborns were diagnosed with 46, XY DSD, a condition in which a male infant can't use testosterone properly or testicles don't develop properly.

I don't see that it says they were mistaken for the other sex, at birth.

It made no mention of what sex they were assigned. That's why you didn't read it.


If you want to have an intelligent debate, then let's at least have an honest discussion.

 

[Pat ex]

Believing that you are something different to what you actually are is not normal. If I went round saying I am a thoroughbred stallion I would be sectioned, and rightly so.

So you believe that people born with one or more of their senses, limbs, missing, organ defects, etc should put up with it, and no treatment, surgery or aids should be made available for them?

I am referring to elective surgery, troll.

"Elective surgery" surgery that is scheduled in advance because it does not involve a medical emergency.

None of the conditions I presented, i.e. missing senses or limbs, organ defects, etc, necessarily involve medical emergencies.
They are often defects which can wait until the child is a little older and more capable of surviving the surgery, just like correcting genital defects.

if you can't have an intelligent discussion about sensitive issues without resorting to abuse, it's best you don't attempt it.

 

[Pat ex]

Your preferred estimate is not supported by evidence.

For their study, the researchers analyzed data on nearly 14,200 newborns. Of those, 18 had ambiguous genitalia. That's a rate of 1.3 in 1,000 births -- much higher than the rate of one in 4,500 to 5,500 reported in previous studies, Aydin said in a news release from The Endocrine Society.

If that evidence, which builds on previous evidence, is not sufficient for you, i can't help you any further.

But you could do your own research, but somehow I doubt you will bother because you're not interested in, or refuse to accept the evidence.
Here are some sites for you to research, if you're interested:

How Many Adults and Youth Identify as Transgender in the United States?

williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu

About 5% of young adults in the U.S. say their gender is different from their sex assigned at birth

1.6% of U.S. adults are transgender or nonbinary. Also, a rising share of Americans say they know someone who is transgender.

www.pewresearch.org

Transgender - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Transgender Population Size in the United States: a Meta-Regression of Population-Based Probability Samples

Background. Transgender individuals have a gender identity that differs from the sex they were assigned at birth. The population size of transgender individuals in the United States is not well-known, in part because official records, including the US ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

The Daily — Canada is the first country to provide census data on transgender and non-binary people

The 2021 Census includes for the first time a question on gender and the addition of the

www150.statcan.gc.ca

 

[Pat ex]

Does not mean "female babies who are incorrectly classified as male"

No sign of any evidence to show how common that is.

Nor is there any data to show how uncommon it is.
I assume that no data is recorded on how often, or how infrequently babies are assigned the incorrect sex.
I don't know of any highly skilled professions that routinely record their mistakes, especially mistakes that may occur well after the 'professional' has retired.

 

[Pat ex]

You say "assigned"

If they are actually physically males, then they have been correctly recorded as boys.

Babies are not "assigned" their sex at whim as you imply.

I never suggested that sex is assigned on a whim. It can sometimes be a best guess based on the physical examination of the genitalia.
There is rarely any further investigation made to verify that "best guess" in cases of genital defects. And if there are any further investigations, it's usually at the request of the patient or their parents later in life because difficulties have been experienced.

If you want to have an intelligent debate, then let's at least have an honest discussion.

 

[JohnD]

I never suggested that sex is assigned on a whim.

However you have certainly implied that sex is "assigned."

It is not.

And the small number of abnormalities and deformities have nothing to do with men who say "I am a woman"

 

[Pat ex]

No, because biological sex is real

And what is fashionably called "gender" is opinion, belief, or a feeling.

Belief based on ideology, instead of science is usually extremely fallible.
Whereas trans gender decisions are based on people's real world experiences, usually supported by medical opinion.

 

[Pat ex]

However you have certainly implied that sex is "assigned."

It is not.

Of course it is. How do you think sex of a child is determined at birth.
Babies are not born with their sex labels attached.
The midwife, doctor, etc, looks at the child's genitalia, and "assigns" the sex on their opinion based on the existing genitalia.
Genitalia deformities exist, but the attending person still has to assign a sex, based on their best guess. Mistakes are made.

Therefore sex is "assigned" by the attending person.

 

[JohnD]

It is recorded.

Not assigned

Your flippant use of "bext guess" is disparaging.

 

[Pat ex]

And the small number of abnormalities and deformities

You have not provided any evidence to support your supposition of "the small number of abnormalities and deformities".

What is you estimate of a small number?