Trump Re Ukraine

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Posting anecdotal links and AI bullet points isn’t an argument, especially given that you’ve selected them over a range of time periods to make the argument you need.

There are no tariffs of uk goods to Europe.

The comparison is UK to Japan, or UK to whomever is competing with the UK. Anyone can find an article bemoaning operational difficulties for any country in the world. Try it.

Here’s a link to an article THIS year about Japan’s labour shortage issue


You’ve also posted from the Lib Dems (lol),

We export three times the manufacturing good to Europe as Japan do, although our menufacturung exports to the ROW are dwarfed by theirs. If we have such impossibly barriers (which are the same as Japan, the textbook case for a manufacturing power house) then they evidently aren’t causing us too many issues.

I’m not sure where you’re going with the healthcare one - Japan has lower waiting lists, are you keen on their private model?

As for the article on corporation tax, it says “it’s not a magic bullet”. The implication being it’s accepted it helps but it’s not enough alone. Which largely supports the peer reviewed evidence I posted that you didn’t read.

I’m suspecting here you’re quite young given how you’ve tried to argue this so I’m dipping out at this stage, suffice to say trying to explain to people who don’t want to learn and are here to create arguments and division, who are evidently unqualified and post links to the Lib Dems website to support factual analysis is not a good use of my Monday.

Feel free to dissect and rebut, but that’s the last I’ll say as I don’t think you are willing to be convinced and I’ve not been convinced either.
Can i just say i thought you were great in The Magic Roundabout.

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Posting anecdotal links and AI bullet points isn’t an argument
so you think the Institution of Engineering and Technology is "an anecdotal link" :ROFLMAO:

so you think RSM a $10b audit, tax and consulting service wont know about industry :ROFLMAO:


There are no tariffs of uk goods to Europe
WRONG

1) only those goods which comply with Rules of Origin checks are tariff free, so goods with more than 50% foreign components get charged tariffs

2) the cost of rules of origin paperwork means there are loads of companies which simply pay the tariff rather than deal with the aggro

"exporters/importers have to prove that goods do qualify by meeting the rules of origin test for that good set out in the TCA. Evidence suggests that many exporters simply prefer to pay the tariff instead to avoid the complex paperwork involved."


selected them over a range of time periods to make the argument you need.
strawman argument

UK has been suffering from the issues Ive stated for many years

the points Ive made are still valid


he comparison is UK to Japan
No it isnt

you were the one trying to use Japan as a comparison not me


We export three times the manufacturing good to Europe as Japan do
Yes we do, for a number of obvious reasons:

1) trade gravity
2) we used to be in the European Single market and have extensive supply chain integration
3) we are culturally aligned to Europe............maybe because we are European


As for the article on corporation tax, it says “it’s not a magic bullet”. The implication being it’s accepted it helps but it’s not enough alone. Which largely supports the peer reviewed evidence I posted that you didn’t read.
corporation tax was cut from around 2010 until Sunak increased it

wheres the fantastic growth rate?

here is a scientic analysis of effects of corporation tax rates:

There is evidence for publication selectivity in favour of reporting growth-enhancing effects of corporate tax cuts. Correcting for this bias, we cannot reject the hypothesis of a zero effect of corporate taxes on growth. Several factors influence reported estimates, including researcher choices concerning the measurement of growth and corporate taxes, and controlling for other budgetary components.


evidence from USA from Trumps corporation tax cuts:

"New research shows that workers who earned less than about $114,000 on average in 2016 saw “no change in earnings” from the corporate tax rate cut, while top executive salaries increased sharply."

which proves that slashing corporation tax benefits the wealthy, not ordinary American citizens..........the ones that voted for Trumpy



I’m suspecting here you’re quite young given how you’ve tried to argue this
Ive argued it with facts and evidence

unlike you who has made basic error like claiming UK trade with EU is all zero tariff -just plain wrong

unlike you who are resorting to a myriad of logical fallacies


and you are wrong, I spent 30 year of my life running a manufacturing business, so I have experience including importing from EU




so I’m dipping out at this stage,
yes of course you are, youve been proven wrong.

You cant provide a valid counter argument and so you have needed to resort to a stream of logical fallacies


suffice to say trying to explain to people who don’t want to learn and are here to create arguments and division
But you are trying to explain things which demonstrably false

Eg: you claimed we have a zero tariff trade deal -but we do not




post links to the Lib Dems website to support factual analysis i
logical fallacy: attack the source, not the content





Im pleased our debate has been a useful education for you, maybe you might have learnt you arent as clever as you think
 
Apparently Borris has urged ukrane to accept tne deal over minerals. Et tu Brute.
 
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Nonsense.

Nonsense
yes you do spout it noseall ;) Tis what you do;)

May be you Should have paid attention at primary school :giggle:

Canada
South Africa
Australia

Are not in Europe would have thought you knew that ?? But hey ho

The words mince noseall and thick come to mind :giggle:
 
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one of the reasons why poo tin does not want to give Ukraine or relinquish occupied territory

Is because what will be found

Mass graves of executed Ukrainians

Bound / gagged and executed

Probably thousands ???
 
so you think the Institution of Engineering and Technology is "an anecdotal link" :ROFLMAO:

so you think RSM a $10b audit, tax and consulting service wont know about industry :ROFLMAO:



WRONG

1) only those goods which comply with Rules of Origin checks are tariff free, so goods with more than 50% foreign components get charged tariffs

2) the cost of rules of origin paperwork means there are loads of companies which simply pay the tariff rather than deal with the aggro

"exporters/importers have to prove that goods do qualify by meeting the rules of origin test for that good set out in the TCA. Evidence suggests that many exporters simply prefer to pay the tariff instead to avoid the complex paperwork involved."



strawman argument

UK has been suffering from the issues Ive stated for many years

the points Ive made are still valid



No it isnt

you were the one trying to use Japan as a comparison not me



Yes we do, for a number of obvious reasons:

1) trade gravity
2) we used to be in the European Single market and have extensive supply chain integration
3) we are culturally aligned to Europe............maybe because we are European



corporation tax was cut from around 2010 until Sunak increased it

wheres the fantastic growth rate?

here is a scientic analysis of effects of corporation tax rates:

There is evidence for publication selectivity in favour of reporting growth-enhancing effects of corporate tax cuts. Correcting for this bias, we cannot reject the hypothesis of a zero effect of corporate taxes on growth. Several factors influence reported estimates, including researcher choices concerning the measurement of growth and corporate taxes, and controlling for other budgetary components.


evidence from USA from Trumps corporation tax cuts:

"New research shows that workers who earned less than about $114,000 on average in 2016 saw “no change in earnings” from the corporate tax rate cut, while top executive salaries increased sharply."

which proves that slashing corporation tax benefits the wealthy, not ordinary American citizens..........the ones that voted for Trumpy




Ive argued it with facts and evidence

unlike you who has made basic error like claiming UK trade with EU is all zero tariff -just plain wrong

unlike you who are resorting to a myriad of logical fallacies


and you are wrong, I spent 30 year of my life running a manufacturing business, so I have experience including importing from EU





yes of course you are, youve been proven wrong.

You cant provide a valid counter argument and so you have needed to resort to a stream of logical fallacies



But you are trying to explain things which demonstrably false

Eg: you claimed we have a zero tariff trade deal -but we do not





logical fallacy: attack the source, not the content





Im pleased our debate has been a useful education for you, maybe you might have learnt you arent as clever as you think
Do you think anyone is actually reading your LONG posts with RIDICULOUS spacing?

And please, before you reply with 'you are' let me assure you, I'm not ;)
 
Canada
South Africa
Australia

Are not in Europe
Irrelevant, although the thousands that came and fought (and many died) from Czech', Poland France and the RoI are in Europe boyo.

You said the UK stood alone during WWII. Utter nonsense.
 
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Do you think anyone is actually reading your LONG posts with RIDICULOUS spacing?

And please, before you reply with 'you are' let me assure you, I'm not ;)
of course you won’t read them, you aren’t interested in facts
It is the reason you have been duped by Trump.

Why do you think you are so shallow?
 
Who says Russia isn't buying Trump.?



Russian President Vladimir Putin said he is open to offering the US access to rare minerals, including from Russian-occupied Ukraine.

This comes after US President Donald Trump has repeatedly pushed for Ukraine to give up some of its minerals in exchange for support, in a deal which is currently being finalised, according to a Ukrainian minister.

In a state TV interview on Monday, Putin said he was ready to "offer" resources to American partners in joint projects, including mining in Russia's "new territories" - a reference to parts of eastern Ukraine that Russia has occupied since launching a full-scale invasion three years ago.

The proposal could also see the two countries collaborating on aluminium extraction and supply to the US to stabilise prices, he added.


Not Russia's to give away though, but that won't matter to Trump.
 
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