TV in bathroom - regs and safety

[securespark]

Deleted.

What happened here?

 

[winston1]

Here is the list of devices considered suitable for use as fixed lighting points:

• A ceiling rose to BS 67
• A luminaire supporting coupler to BS 6972 or BS 7001
• A batten lampholder or a pendant set to BS EN 60598
• A luminaire to BS EN 60598
• A suitable socket-outlet to BS 1363-2, BS 546 or BS EN 60309-2
• A plug-in lighting distribution unit to BS 5733
• A connection unit to BS 1363-4
• Appropriate terminals enclosed in a box complying with the relevant part of BS EN 60670 series or BS 4662
• A device for connecting a luminaire (DCL) outlet according to BS IEC 61995-1
• An installation coupler BS EN 61535.

I didn't say it was not allowed. I said there was never, ever, a reason to do it.

 

[mwatsonxx]

I probably have higher qualifications than you. AMIET for your info.

AMIET, is not an indication of a qualification, experience or electrical knowledge. From their website:

"To join the IET as an Associate, you do not need to hold an engineering qualification. You may be working in a related field, have a passion for engineering and technology or you may be a retired member. Engineering and technology affects our daily lives which is why the IET welcomes the support, contribution and involvement of a wide range of people.

If you have graduated within the last five years you may be eligible for our IET Advantage membership programme - for early career engineers, for which there is a separate membership application process.

By joining as an Associate, you can access a range of membership advantages for an annual membership fee.

An Associate may also transfer or upgrade their membership to the Member category once they have acquired the sufficient skills or experience."

So you have paid for membership of a club! I pay for membership of my local bowls club, can't stand bowls but they do a good pint. Also, an MIET, once told me that that the conversion method of 2 way switching didn't work, in front of half a dozen or so bemused experienced electrical design engineers.

Unfortunately the MIET seem determined to make themselves booksellers but otherwise irrelevant.

 

[EFLImpudence]

There is no objection to using a 2 or 5 amp BS 546 socket however.

Whooaahh there!

What if someone puts one of those plugs on his welder to do some work in the loft?

 

[winston1]

AMIET, is not an indication of a qualification, experience or electrical knowledge. From their website:

"To join the IET as an Associate, you do not need to hold an engineering qualification. You may be working in a related field, have a passion for engineering and technology or you may be a retired member. Engineering and technology affects our daily lives which is why the IET welcomes the support, contribution and involvement of a wide range of people.

If you have graduated within the last five years you may be eligible for our IET Advantage membership programme - for early career engineers, for which there is a separate membership application process.

By joining as an Associate, you can access a range of membership advantages for an annual membership fee.

An Associate may also transfer or upgrade their membership to the Member category once they have acquired the sufficient skills or experience."

So you have paid for membership of a club! I pay for membership of my local bowls club, can't stand bowls but they do a good pint. Also, an MIET, once told me that that the conversion method of 2 way switching didn't work, in front of half a dozen or so bemused experienced electrical design engineers.

Unfortunately the MIET seem determined to make themselves booksellers but otherwise irrelevant.

They have clearly changed the rules then. I certainly had to pass very stiff exams HND and above before I became AMIEE as it was then.

 

[mwatsonxx]

They have clearly changed the rules then. I certainly had to pass very stiff exams HND and above before I became AMIEE as it was then.

So how much did you pay?

 

[securespark]

I said there was never, ever, a reason to do it.

In your opinion, maybe, but in the opinions of many sparks, there is.

 

[ban-all-sheds]

I didn't say it was not allowed. I said there was never, ever, a reason to do it.

Winston, do you think that if you keep on "clarifying" that (when not one person has claimed you said it was not allowed), then somehow we will all lose sight of the fact that what you did say was

What we don't need to do is encourage it with unsuitable sockets on a circuit primarily designed for lighting.

and that what I have been doing is showing you the list of accessories which BS 7671 says are suitable ?

If so, why?

If not, what is your reason for repeatedly denying a charge which has not been levelled at you? Is it a competence issue?

 

[winston1]

So how much did you pay?

It was a long, long time ago. There was an annual fee dependent on your age etc. But the most important part was the technical qualification not the cost.

 

[winston1]

and that what I have been doing is showing you the list of accessories which BS 7671 says are suitable ?

What you have been showing me are the regs. The regs are not BS 7671.

Has it occurred to you the regs may have made another mistake that could be rectified in a future amendment?

 

[bernardgreen]

But the most important part was the technical qualification not the cost.

The most important part is being able to use the qualification in the real world of reality...................like folded up and put under the leg of a wobbly table.

 

[stillp]

The regs are not BS 7671.

Eh?

 

[Lectrician]

Simplest and widest used method of supply to a cooker hood.

I've seen it once in my career, and only because the B6 regularly tripped on turning the hood on. Carp design.

 

[Lectrician]

My loft has no socket circuits in it, but it does have a lighting circuit. How do you think I should power my aerial amplifier?

(Clue: a suitably labelled 13A socket-outlet)

Or FCU.

 

[winston1]

Or FCU.

NO. FCUs are not used or required on lighting circuits. A typical BS1362 fuse will have no discrimination against a 6 amp MCB, especially when it could be already loaded with several hundred watts of lights.