Ukraine counter offensive

Almost a year after Russia’s war against Ukraine started, it has united the west, according to a 15-country survey – but exposed a widening gulf with the rest of the world that is defining the contours of a future global order.

The study, by the European Council on Foreign Relations (ECFR) thinktank, surveyed opinions in nine EU member states, including France, Germany and Poland, and in Britain and the US, as well as China, Russia, India and Turkey. It revealed sharp geographical differences in attitudes to the war, democracy and the global balance of power, the authors said, suggesting Russia’s aggression may be a historic turning point marking the emergence of a “post-western” world order. However, it had “utterly failed to persuade major powers of the rest, such as China, India and Turkey”. The lesson was clear: “We urgently need a new narrative that is actually persuasive to countries like India, the world’s largest democracy.”
More people in Europe (44% in Britain, 38% in the EU nine) believed Ukraine should retake all its territory, even at the cost of a longer war, and fewer (22% and 30%) wanted the war to stop as soon as possible, even if that meant Ukraine ceding land to Russia.

Responses from the non-western countries surveyed, however, were very different. Large numbers of people in China (76%), India (77%) and Turkey (73%), for example, said they felt Russia was “stronger” or “as strong” as before the war. They saw Moscow as a strategic “ally” and “necessary partner” of their country (79%, 79%, 69%). Almost two-thirds of Russian respondents (64%) said the US was an “adversary”, with 51% and 46% saying the same of the EU and UK. In China, 43% perceived the US as a rival, 40% said the same of the UK, and 34% of the EU.

Many outside the west predicted the US-led liberal order would cede global dominance over the next decade, with the west predicted to become just one global power among several. Only 7% in Russia and 6% in China predicted it would be dominant 10 years from now. In Europe and the US, however, many (29% in Britain, 28% in the EU nine, and 26% in the US) foresaw a new bipolar world of two blocs led by the US and China, whereas there were signs that emerging powers saw the future in more multipolar terms.

“Many people in the west see the coming international order as the return of a cold war-type bipolarity between west and east, democracy and authoritarianism,” the study’s authors said. “But people in those countries see themselves very differently.”

The west will have to live, they said, with “hostile dictatorships such as China and Russia”, but also with independent powers such as India and Turkey. These do not “represent some new third bloc” or even share a common ideology, but nor are they “content to adjust to the whims and plans of the superpowers”.

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Puts into perspective how the eu and Britain's dash for nett zero plays out in these emerging power blocks. Will they mothball their coalmines and steelworks to 'save' the planet.
The west to me seems to be on a suicidal mission.
 
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JohnD should tune in to watch 'Warship:Tour of duty', on Sunday night. Britain's brand new aircraft carrier looks in fine fettle to me.
Not as humungous as the USS Gerald Ford, to be sure, but still a useful piece of kit in NATOs maritime forces to make sure the Chinese don't get any ideas about the South China Sea.
The Russian fleet is nothing more than a coastguard by comparison.
It would only take one of Russia's Kinjals to knock it out. The hypersonic ones like they used early on for the arms dump. It is, as Putin said, a nice big target.
 
It's time for your regular reminder that Donald Trump is still legally the President of The USA and that if he hadn't been defrauded the Ukraine invasion would not have happened.

Watch the great man here; "I am the President who delivers Peace" he says. "We could end the Ukraine conflict in 24 hours with the right leadership" he says. Vote Trump 2024.

 
Which is why we need a united states of europe, it works in america. Lucky that Biden is there with a moral compass. Under the previous admin it might have been very different, just imagine what the trrump deal might have looked like.

Blup
United States of Europe
Pipe dream and it will never happen

Ounce again ( possibly ) Americans may have to send there sons and daughters to die on the battlefields of Europe

And when Putin invaded the Ukraine

We had the two brown nosers in nato macron and that German bloke scurrying out to Russia to sit at one end of a 25 foot long table to talk to poo tin :ROFLMAO:

Johnson did not he was busy organising the supply of anti tank missiles for Zelenski
 
When was the last time France won a war.
the point you made was about the size and strength of our forces.

it's about the same as France, ours has shrunk a lot.

I never said it was bad, I said don't kid yourself, by comparing how strong we WERE .

do you think we are a world power armed forces, capable of standing up to any threat without NATO ?
 
United States of Europe
Pipe dream and it will never happen

Ounce again ( possibly ) Americans may have to send there sons and daughters to die on the battlefields of Europe

And when Putin invaded the Ukraine

We had the two brown nosers in nato macron and that German bloke scurrying out to Russia to sit at one end of a 25 foot long table to talk to poo tin :ROFLMAO:

Johnson did not he was busy organising the supply of anti tank missiles for Zelenski
Europe is our friend America is a friend.

Blup
 
Puts into perspective how the eu and Britain's dash for nett zero plays out in these emerging power blocks. Will they mothball their coalmines and steelworks to 'save' the planet.
The west to me seems to be on a suicidal mission.
So let's do nothing ?

Don't you have children, and grandchildren? Or do your thoughts not stretch further than today ?
 
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