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[denso13]

"Many of these unlawful killings were publicly billed as attacks against people assisting Israel during the July and August 2014 conflict as part of an operation, codenamed “Strangling Necks”, to target “collaborators”. However, in reality, at least 16 of those executed had been in Hamas custody since before the conflict broke out. Many had been awaiting the outcome of their trials when they were taken away from prison and summarily executed."

 

[Odds]

Are you trying to say Palestinians weren't caught out helping Israeli agents in the Gaza Strip?

Or just deflecting the fact IDF soliders shot down civilians in the street that turned out to be the hostages they were supposed to be rescuing.

 

[fillyboy]

Collaborating with the enemy is a serious matter, don't you think?

Stay away from Roy then, he'll have you radicalised before you can say Shalom.

 

[denso13]

Are you trying to say Palestinians weren't caught out helping Israeli agents in the Gaza Strip?

No.

Or just deflecting the fact IDF soliders shot down civilians in the street that turned out to be the hostages they were supposed to be rescuing.

Do you think they meant to do it?

 

[fillyboy]

 

[Odds]

Do you think they meant to do it?

During combat in Shejaiya, the IDF [Israel Defense Forces] mistakenly identified three Israeli hostages as a threat and as a result fired toward them and the hostages were killed.

How much of a threat would they appear to be after several weeks of captivity?
Clearly they didn't stop long enough to discern a lack of weapons or any hostile intent in people who must've been scared sh!tless.

Yes. I think they meant to do it.

 

[denso13]

Yes. I think they meant to do it.

I don't. It makes no sense.

 

[Brigadier]

Hamas were formed as a response to Israeli occupation.
If Israel were to agree a two-state solution next year, then they would have no reason to fight.

And would that stop them?

I very much doubt it.

 

[Brigadier]

They don't shoot their own civilians in cold blood, i'd imagine.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Yet here is you are justifying it

That isn't justification, it's an explanation.
When you provoke something beyond their tolerance, you can expect a reaction.
That's life, or death, for Palestinians.

As someone said very early, die on your knees or die on your feet.

Sadly, a lot of Palestinians are being killed in their beds, in their prams, in their hospital beds, in their schools, in their refugee camps, etc.

The IDF is even killing their own civilians while they are holding a white flag, surrendering, and even when they've written SOS on the building, and when they've been injured and they cry in Hebrew for help, they're still shot and killed.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Gaza: Palestinians tortured, summarily killed by Hamas forces during 2014 conflict

Hamas forces carried out a brutal campaign of abductions, torture and unlawful killings against Palestinians accused of “collaborating” with Israel and others during Israel’s military offensive against Gaza in July and August 2014, according to a new report by Amnesty International. ‘Strangling...

www.amnesty.org

Fatah is ridiculed for cooperating with Israelis and IDF.

Fatah is the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority and has largely cooperated with Israel in trying to combat West Bank terror in recent years.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/four-palestinians-said-killed-in-west-bank-clashes-as-idf-arrests-top-fatah-official/

 

[Roy Bloom]

No.

Do you think they meant to do it?

They followed the injured civilian into the building, and despite him calling for help in Hebrew, they shot him dead.

Oh, yes, they meant to do it.

 

[gant]

That isn't justification, it's an explanation.
When you provoke something beyond their tolerance, you can expect a reaction.
That's life, or death, for Palestinians.

So you don't agree with their reaction if your saying violence is never justified.

 

[Roy Bloom]

So you don't agree with their reaction if your saying violence is never justified.

To be very precise, especially to those with cloth ears, blind eyes and closed minds, violence is never justified.
But of course it's frequently predictable. Maybe some even intentionally provoke that reaction in order to further and justify their own violent policies.
It's blindingly obvious to many:

“…the extensive killing of civilians not only contributes nothing to Israel’s security, but it also contains the foundations for further undermining it. The Gazans who will emerge from the ruins of their homes and the loss of their families will seek revenge that no security arrangements will be able to withstand.”
This conclusion from the Israeli news source Haaretz comes from their analysis of the current “Swords of Iron” campaign against Gaza.

Gaza Bombing Creates “Unprecedented Killing”; Netanyahu Blows Up Israel

“Netanyahu must be politically destroyed, or Israel will go down with him”

barrygander.substack.com

Yet some refuse to admit it.

Do you still claim it's Israel defending itself?

 

[gant]

Your sarcasm although you think is justified is clearly not.
You say violence is never justified which is obviously a position by its reading is your stance.
So in this case, your case of giving an explanation for Hamas, Palestinians turning to violence, wouldn't be one you agree with but you think is understandable, although you don't agree with it.