UNjustified

[Roy Bloom]

So they had it coming?

Let me be very clear, violence is never justified.
But when you persistently provoke others with prolonged subjugation, torture, killing, indefinite imprisoning without charge, sexual abuse, disposession, discrimination, destruction of property, then some sort of reaction is to be expected.
Palestinians do not deserve the inhumane treatment by Israel and Israelis.
Whether they deserve it or not, it is forced on them by Israel.

"People in the West Bank know that Netanyahu is throwing down bait, through persistent attacks every night against the people of Palestine regardless of their political affiliation - because he wants to provoke the Palestinians into a confrontational mood that he will use as an excuse to escalate the situation."
"It's very clear that Fatah don't want any intifada," explained Raed Debiy, the party youth leader. "They are still very keen to keep the status quo. But the grassroots of Fatah will not be controlled forever. How can you stay silent under daily assassination, daily invasion, daily violation of settlers - this will definitely lead to explosion."
In 2000, the spark for the second intifada was a visit by then-Israeli prime minister Ariel Sharon to a contested holy site in Jerusalem, known to Muslims as the al-Aqsa compound and to Jews at the Temple Mount.
Sharon's visit happened amid smouldering Palestinian frustration at the failure of the Oslo peace process - and, Dr Shikaki says, was "exploited" by Fatah's young guard to launch the uprising.
A small event like this could still trigger something significant, but the situation has shifted since 2000.
Now, far-right ministers in the Israeli government visit the compound, and make inflammatory claims about Israeli control of the site, without triggering a major response - at least not in the West Bank.
"We told the American administration many times that the pressure would definitely lead to some sort of reaction," said the senior Fatah leader, Sabri Saidam. "But no-one anticipated that the reaction would come from Gaza."

Lucy Williamson: Hamas support soars in West Bank - but full uprising can still be avoided

Calls by Hamas for an uprising in the West Bank have come and gone, despite rising support for the group.

www.bbc.com

 

[Roy Bloom]

So as I've now listed another 3 Israeli PM's who were prepared to accept a two state nation you accept this is another of your lies.

"Yirzhak Rabin is the only Israeli PM to be assasinated. So your comment is technically correct, the others weren't killed for any reason, nor by anyone.
However the assasination of Yitzhak Rabin is factual history."

Either your reccolection of history is poor, or you're well indoctrinated by Israeli propaganda.
The Oslo accord failed because the Israel 'territory' was undefined. This was an intentional tactic by Israel so that it could expand later.
The Palestine state was never mentioned, but not so the Israeli state. That was a well defined entity but a loose and ill-defined territory.

For Palestinians, that final outcome was an independent state with Jerusalem as its capital. For Israelis, it was TBD—to be determined. Driven by domestic politics and their own doubts about the Palestinians’ capacity for statehood and what it might mean for Israeli security, neither Israeli Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin nor his successor Shimon Peres were prepared to commit to any agreed outcome—even as an aspirational vision. You can look long and hard for the term “Palestinian state” in the Oslo documents, but you won’t find it. It would take another half-dozen years before the idea of statehood worked its way into Israel’s negotiating assumptions.

Why the Oslo Peace Process Failed

And what it means for future negotiators.

foreignpolicy.com

 

[Odds]

Zionist troops are out of control at this point - killing three hostages on the street in cold blood.

When will the madness end?

Damned if i know.

Analysis@the Guardian

“The fighting is tough. Even in places [such as] Beit Lahia there are still pockets of fighting. I don’t believe we will ever be at the point of zero terrorists and zero weapons in Gaza,” says Michael Milshtein of Tel Aviv University’s Moshe Dayan Centre, who has studied the phenomenon of resistance movements in the Middle East, including Palestinian ones, argued that it had been a mistake to regard Hamas as a conventional state force whose collapse would prove to be a definitive defeat.

“For a month we have been talking about a breaking point for Hamas when you will see its total collapse begin. That kind of term is useful when you are fighting conventional armies and you can find such a point, but the thing about Hamas is it’s not even purely a guerrilla army.

“I would call it a very flexible entity which combines the characteristic ruling party, an underground organisation and charitable fund. It is not something where if you can kill the supreme commander the whole structure is undermined.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Zionist troops are out of control at this point - killing three hostages on the street in cold blood.

When will the madness end?

Damned if i know.

Analysis@the Guardian

“The fighting is tough. Even in places [such as] Beit Lahia there are still pockets of fighting. I don’t believe we will ever be at the point of zero terrorists and zero weapons in Gaza,” says Michael Milshtein of Tel Aviv University’s Moshe Dayan Centre, who has studied the phenomenon of resistance movements in the Middle East, including Palestinian ones, argued that it had been a mistake to regard Hamas as a conventional state force whose collapse would prove to be a definitive defeat.

“For a month we have been talking about a breaking point for Hamas when you will see its total collapse begin. That kind of term is useful when you are fighting conventional armies and you can find such a point, but the thing about Hamas is it’s not even purely a guerrilla army.

“I would call it a very flexible entity which combines the characteristic ruling party, an underground organisation and charitable fund. It is not something where if you can kill the supreme commander the whole structure is undermined.

I think the over-riding evidence in this sorry saga is that these three hostages were undoubtedly unarmed and presenting no threat to the IDF. Yet they were killed indiscriminately anyway.
How many Palestinians have died in such similar circumstances, not just during this conflict, but throughout the decades long occupation of Palestine?

 

[Odds]

I think the over-riding evidence in this sorry saga is that these three hostages were undoubtedly unarmed and presenting no threat to the IDF. Yet they were killed indiscriminately anyway.
How many Palestinians have died in such similar circumstances, not just during this conflict, but throughout the decades long occupation of Palestine?

Thousands.
The Zionist government is fooling itself if they imagine all this mayhem will end Hamas.

Polling conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research this week appeared to reinforce such beliefs surrounding Hamas’s ideology as it found 44% of respondents in the occupied West Bank said they supported the group, up from 12% in September. In Gaza, the militants enjoyed 42% support, up from 38% three months ago.

 

[Brigadier]

The Zionist government is fooling itself if they imagine all this mayhem will end Hamas

The Zionist government need Hamas, to justify their own existence.
And vice versa.

 

[Notch7]

Let me be very clear, violence is never justified

Yet here is you are justifying it

But when you persistently provoke others with prolonged subjugation, torture, killing, indefinite imprisoning without charge, sexual abuse, disposession, discrimination, destruction of property, then some sort of reaction is to be expected

 

[Odds]

Yet here is you are justifying it

Gantish is spreading through the forum like a flock of pigeon's - send help.




And biscuits.

 

[Odds]

The Zionist government need Hamas, to justify their own existence.
And vice versa.

Hamas were formed as a response to Israeli occupation.
If Israel were to agree a two-state solution next year, then they would have no reason to fight.

 

[fillyboy]

If Israel were to agree a two-state solution next year, then they would have no reason to fight.

What else do they do?

 

[Odds]

What else do they do?

They don't shoot their own civilians in cold blood, i'd imagine.

 

[fillyboy]

They don't shoot their own civilians in cold blood, i'd imagine.

Imagination is a wonderful thing.

 

[Odds]

Imagination is a wonderful thing.

You haven't seen the news today then?

 

[denso13]

They don't shoot their own civilians in cold blood, i'd imagine.

Gaza: Palestinians tortured, summarily killed by Hamas forces during 2014 conflict

Hamas forces carried out a brutal campaign of abductions, torture and unlawful killings against Palestinians accused of “collaborating” with Israel and others during Israel’s military offensive against Gaza in July and August 2014, according to a new report by Amnesty International. ‘Strangling...

www.amnesty.org

 

[Odds]

Gaza: Palestinians tortured, summarily killed by Hamas forces during 2014 conflict

Hamas forces carried out a brutal campaign of abductions, torture and unlawful killings against Palestinians accused of “collaborating” with Israel and others during Israel’s military offensive against Gaza in July and August 2014, according to a new report by Amnesty International. ‘Strangling...

www.amnesty.org

Collaborating with the enemy is a serious matter, don't you think?