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Are you saying suicide vests aren't deployed in real life, or death?
If you can't differentiate between fact and fiction you really shouldn't be discussing a grown-up issue. :rolleyes:
But by all means carry on posting false images, it's what Israel and IDF does, so it would be no surprise that you continue the practice. :rolleyes:
Perhaps you could make a video of Hamas fighters surrendering? :rolleyes:
Then you could deny that Israel is killing Palestinians and harvesting organs for sale illegally.
 
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Mild stuff compared to German treatment of Russian prisoners.
T'was ever thus.
The Germans were villified for it, and some were excuted.
Israel is being supported and their actions defended by many first world nations.
 
Then you could deny that Israel is killing Palestinians and harvesting organs for sale illegally.

Are you seriously suggesting Israel entered into a retaliatory war to profit from the sale of a few hundred kilos of liver?
 
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Are you seriously suggesting Israel entered into a retaliatory war to profit from the sale of a few hundred kilos of liver?
I genuinely believe they had other objectives as well, genocide, forced movement, humiliation, etc.

Maybe they have intelligence that Iran is very cose to perfecting a nuclear device, but they need an excuse to attack Iran again.
Who knows how their fundamental Zionist twisted minds work.
 
Only the sensible ones, the ones striving for long term security in the Middle East.
Alongside Israeli airstrikes in Gaza and across the Border in Lebanon, they've been constantly bombing Syrian targets, and Americans have been shooting drones out of the sky like pigeons. This weeks airstrikes in Iraq points to an escalation that makes western observers anxious. Those persistent Houthi rebels are causing a big problem, as well.
Netanyahu says it'll take months to destroy Hamas - which nobody thinks is possible - so he could dropping hints about a wider war in the region.
 
Alongside Israeli airstrikes in Gaza and across the Border in Lebanon, they've been constantly bombing Syrian targets, and Americans have been shooting drones out of the sky like pigeons. This weeks airstrikes in Iraq points to an escalation that makes western observers anxious. Those persistent Houthi rebels are causing a big problem, as well.
Netanyahu says it'll take months to destroy Hamas - which nobody thinks is possible - so he could dropping hints about a wider war in the region.

The realpolitik will be interesting. As much as Erdogan badmouths Netanyahu (maybe rightly so, but irrelevant as Netanyahu is toast anyway), Erdogan dislikes Hezbollah even more, Turkeys trade with Israel has more than doubled in recent years, nothing to gain from Turkey aligning itself with Iran. The Houthi's have almost closed the Red Sea through which 15% of world trade passes, and a lot of oil.

The Saudi's are notably quiet in all this, they obviously want rid of the Houthi's, and the best way to achieve that would be to remove their sponsors, Iran.

I think a lot of countries are starting to realise that peace, stability and prosperity ain't going to happen in the Middle East while Iran have a seat at the table.

Who's going to make the first move? not the US or Saudi I suspect, maybe it's best left to Israel do do it by proxy, and they wont mind taking the blame, they're used to it.
 
Don't forget, Iran has 6% of the world's oil reserves. Big gains to be made for ? with change of regime ? Programme on not long ago "Planet Oil " very informative about the Middle East oil discoveries and the influences behind them.
 
The realpolitik will be interesting. As much as Erdogan badmouths Netanyahu (maybe rightly so, but irrelevant as Netanyahu is toast anyway), Erdogan dislikes Hezbollah even more,
You're misinterpreting the reality. I assume you're getting your information from the Times of Israel.

Relations of Turkey and Iran with Israel​

In the past, Turkey's ties with Israel have caused various disagreements between Ankara and Tehran. However, Turkey's neutral stance with regards to the disputes between Israel and Iran has secured the maintenance of friendly bilateral relations. The growing trade between Turkey and Iran indicates the two countries’ willingness to strengthen mutual ties.

Turkey's relations with Israel have deteriorated since the Gaza War (2008–09), the Gaza flotilla raid (2010) and the 2014 Israel–Gaza conflict. From 2010 to 2016, Turkey had no diplomatic relations with Israel at the ambassadorial level. However, on 28 June 2016, Turkey and Israel signed an agreement to normalize relations, which included a $20 million compensation fund from Israel to Turkish families affected by the Gaza-bound flotilla attack, an eventual return of ambassadors and initial talks of a natural gas pipeline.

Turkey- Israel relations are quickly deteriorating.

BDS Turkey: Cut all ties with genocidal Israel​


Erdogan dislikes Hezbollah even more,
There's two Hezbollahs.
But, according to several news articles, the Hezbollah that operates in Turkey is not believed to be connected to the Hezbollah that operates in Lebanon (Middle East Times 28 Jan. 2000; Council on Foreign Relations 2002; World Socialist Web Site 16 Feb. 2000; New York Times 23 Jan. 2000).
https://www.refworld.org/docid/3f7d4e290.html
And the way the Turkey - Israel relations are deteriorating, "My enemy's enemy is my friend".


Turkeys trade with Israel has more than doubled in recent years, nothing to gain from Turkey aligning itself with Iran.
The 2009 attack on Gaza sent relations down the drain, and they only recently recovered.
But Israel has already recalled its Turkish representative from Turkey, after only 18 months of full diplomatic ties being restored.
Turkey has a healthy trade with Iran, but it's restricted by western sanction on Iran.


The Houthi's have almost closed the Red Sea through which 15% of world trade passes, and a lot of oil.
Yes the continuing attacks on Palestinians is widening the conflict.
It doesn't and won't improve trhe chances of diplomatic solutions.


The Saudi's are notably quiet in all this,
We've already seen how fragile diplomatic relations are between Turkey and Israel.
We could see more cracks appearing yet. You can't rely on existing relations and continue attacking Palestinians.


and the best way to achieve that would be to remove their sponsors, Iran.
That is another objective of Israel, they don't care how much ****e they stir up, as long as they can kill Palestinians or forcibly evacuate them from the Levant.


I think a lot of countries are starting to realise that peace, stability and prosperity ain't going to happen in the Middle East while Iran have a seat at the table.
I think a lot of countries are satarting to realsie what a ****e stirrer Isrrael is.
And Israel cannot rely on US support at this rate.


Who's going to make the first move? not the US or Saudi I suspect, maybe it's best left to Israel do do it by proxy, and they wont mind taking the blame, they're used to it.
It usually is their fault. They've been subjugating, killing , torturing, humilitiating, stealing their land and generally discriminating against Palestinians for so long.
Israel is haemorrhaging support fast.
 
They started it.
Did they argue in the UN for their own state? Did they consult USA for their support to their claim?
Were they supported by other nations who wanted to be rid of them to somewhere else?
Did they receive an inordinate amount of land given their current population?
Did they committ terrorist acts on the Britsh?
Did they committ multiple immigration offences to massively increase their population?
Did they cause the Nakba*?
Do they operate an apartheid regime?
Did they ignore multiple UN resolutions?
Did they steal land from Palestinians and other Arabs and refuse to give it back?
Did they occupy, subjugate, kill, torture, discriminate against, and steal land from their neighbours for decades?


*In the initial Nakba of 1948, approximately 700,000 Palestinian Arabs (about half of Palestine's Arab population) fled from their homes or were expelled by Zionist militias and later the Israeli army in what is now Israel proper, which covers 78% of the total land area of the former Mandatory Palestine.
 
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