Vive La France!

[noseall]

t she is also the one at risk of committing an offence

Irrelevant waffle.

 

[denso13]

The certificate is a document of the opinion, a record that is it.

That the criteria in the law are met. If not, then no certification, no sign off, no approval.

 

[motorbiking]

Who cares. The certificate has nothing to do with the legal requirement for an opinion to be formed and as has been evidenced the abortion can proceed without the certificate.

 

[noseall]

That the criteria in the law are met. If not, then no certification, no sign off, no approval.

Correct

 

[denso13]

Government guidance for their legislation,

"Form HSA1 must be completed, signed and dated by two registered medical practitioners before an abortion is performed under Section 1 (1) of the Abortion Act1967."

"The form must be completed by both practitioners certifying their opinion, formed in good faith, that at least one and the same ground for abortion in section 1(1) of the1967 Act exists.1 The certification takes place in the light of their clinical judgement of the circumstances of the pregnant woman’s individual case"

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/5a755bd240f0b6360e4737e3/2013_C_Guidance_note_for_completing_the_HSA1_and_HSA2_abortion_forms.pdf

 

[motorbiking]

See page 3.

 

[denso13]

the abortion can proceed without the certificate.

Not under section 1 (1).

 

[Notch7]

Certify means approval? You are literally making it up.

Meaning of certify:

“to officially approve of something after testing itsquality and proving that it is acceptable:”

I’m literally stating facts

You best get onto the offices of the Cambridge dictionary to tell them they are wrong. (Let us know how you get on)

certify

1. to say in a formal or official way, usually in the form of an official…

dictionary.cambridge.org

 

[denso13]

See page 3.

Is that section 1?

 

[motorbiking]

Of the abortion act?

Tell me where is says the exemption is subject to certification? It doesn’t

 

[Notch7]

It is irrelevant quite right. Because it’s NOT LAW.

No sign
No approval
No abortion

 

[motorbiking]

Meaning of certify:

“to officially approve of something after testing itsquality and proving that it is acceptable:”

I’m literally stating facts

You best get onto the offices of the Cambridge dictionary to tell them they are wrong. (Let us know how you get on)

certify

1. to say in a formal or official way, usually in the form of an official…

dictionary.cambridge.org

Or you could read all of it.

 

[Notch7]

The certificate is a document of the opinion, a record that is it.

No, the opinion is the judgement, the signed certificate is the approval.

 

[motorbiking]

Not under section 1 (1).

You are not even looking at the legal text.

Sec 1 of the abortion act

 

[ajohn]

abortion law does need updating: the need for two doctors signatures should go.

Feminists will carry on lobbying for free abortion pills to use as birth control

They are already available for use in under 10weeks at home and possibly at other times in suitable facilities.

Doctors. They are there to help ensure that the correct procedure is used. The reason for the various methods is based on the risk of complication as the number of weeks since gestation increase. If people don't stick to them they are likely to finish up in hospital - some do anyway.

Various people spouting - usual problem ignoring the basic problem which is the need for several different procedures. The pills sound nice and simple. Providing <= 10weeks they more or less are so can be just used at home. The numbers of people who have complications will be being monitored. If Savers started selling them they would be again. Currently they are POM's with a complication - 2 doctors. Use a clinic, still paid for by the NHS and it all looks after itself and it seems a women may get the pills by post following talks over the phone. i wonder how many times clinics actually do this but no need for any changes at all.

Use the NHS. I suppose someone could try A&E but the only legitimate root in is via a GP.. When the NHS is actually visited. Probably find it's the same as a clinic. A qualified nurse and a similar midwife. No need for a change again.