Vive La France!

[Odds]

That is what the law requires. If the criteria in the law are not met, in the opinion of two doctors, then the termination cannot proceed.

And if a woman obtains pills by post then the doctor's opinion is irrelevant.

 

[denso13]

but once you accept the premise of a 'woman's right to choose', then how far should it go?

I accept that it is absolutely a woman's right to choose, but there need to be rules around it. I don't see that as a contradiction.

 

[denso13]

And if a woman obtains pills by post then the doctor's opinion is irrelevant.

The doctors opinion was relevant in your example. She got in to difficulty because she lied about the circumstances and conned the doctor. If she had said "I want the pills and I'm 32 weeks gone", do you think the doctor would have sent out the pills?

 

[denso13]

And if a woman obtains pills by post then the doctor's opinion is irrelevant.

She needs a consultation with the doctor who will decide if she gets them by post, or not. The doctors opinion is anything but irrelevant.

 

[Odds]

The doctors opinion was relevant in your example. She got in to difficulty because she lied about the circumstances and conned the doctor. If she had said "I want the pills and I'm 32 weeks gone", do you think the doctor would have sent out the pills?

If she had access to medication then i'm sure she'd have taken it anyway. That's the crux of decriminalisation. The woman's right to choose. Once you accept that premise they're basically taking matters into their own hands. The doctor can give an opinion but the woman will decide.

 

[denso13]

That's the crux of decriminalisation. The woman's right to choose

I don't think one necessarily leads to the other actually. Decriminalisation doesn't mean she can choose a 39 week termination.

 

[Odds]

Well no, obviously she'd choose to do the job much earlier - under 10 weeks is the average.
All she need do then is arrange a phone consultation, satisfy the criteria and the NUPAS pills by post service allows patients to take the medical abortion pills at home without having to attend a clinic. Simples.

 

[denso13]

All she need do then is arrange a phone consultation, satisfy the criteria and the NUPAS pills by post service allows patients to take the medical abortion pills at home without having to attend a clinic.

Yes, satisfy the criteria being the important bit. It isn't on demand at the moment.

 

[Notch7]

Yes, certifying that the medical exemptions apply, a medical judgement, not an approval of the procedure.

certifying that the medical exemptions apply is giving official approval it can go ahead.

the doctor is not giving a moral judgement

Approval has 2 meanings

1) official approval as in “I approve this planning permission”
2) opinion, as In “I approve of the dress you are wearing”

 

[noseall]

Certification in the context means the official confirmation that the medical exemptions are met, nothing to do with permission or approval That is the woman's choice. It would be bizarre in such sensitive circumstances if a doctor was akin some kind of agent of the state approving the termination.

More deflective waffle and fudge all to do with the doctor approving the abortion.
Two doctors are required to approve an abortion, in order to comply with the Act.

Your dancing around the word approve is hilarious.

 

[noseall]

And if a woman obtains pills by post then the doctor's opinion is irrelevant.

And illegal if not approved by two doctors.

 

[Notch7]

Yes, certifying that the medical exemptions apply, a medical judgement, not an approval of the procedure.

certifying that the medical exemptions apply: otherwise known as approval

"not an approval of the procedure" -yes approval it can go ahead, no not moral approval

 

[noseall]

Certification in the context means the official confirmation that the medical exemptions are met,

Yes approval. It is stated in many pages, that once the abortion has been signed off then the abortion is approved.

nothing to do with permission or approval That is the woman's choice.

What do you mean, approval is the woman's choice?

 

[motorbiking]

Case law involves interpreting different judgements across many different fields of expertise and scenarios to find similarities in current cases. To say that it hinges of specific words being present is ridiculous.

Let’s see the case law then. Do you have any?

 

[motorbiking]

certifying that the medical exemptions apply: otherwise known as approval

"not an approval of the procedure" -yes approval it can go ahead, no not moral approval

It’s not a medical exemption ffs. It’s a legal exemption. An exemption from prosecution.

Not a sick note that says you don’t have to do PE