Vive La France!

[motorbiking]

Within the first 14 weeks it is an automatic right. There is a simple procedure to go through where you have a chat with a medical professional and they give you some information about the procedure. You then go back a week later and sign to say you still want to go ahead. What makes you think it is difficult?

I don't know if lemonde is right or left wing, or if it matters, but they disagree

Abortion in France: Why the law extending the legal time limit for abortion is difficult to implement

In March, a new French law extended the time limit for abortion from 12 weeks of pregnancy to 14. But some health providers are having difficulties adapting.

www.lemonde.fr

 

[denso13]

Still requires two doctors approval.

Even before 10 weeks, the pill isn't automatically given. It also requires approval. For example,

"This service is a safe and legal way to end a pregnancy before 10 weeks gestation without needing to attend a clinic for treatment. You will have a telephone consultation and full medical assessment with a trained nurse or midwife who will assess your suitability for treatment. If treatment is suitable and safe, you will receive abortion pills by post a few days later, or we can book you for an alternative treatment in clinic. Sometimes a scan or other in-clinic checks are required before treatment."

Abortion Pill | Treatment at Home | BPAS

The abortion pill, is used in medical abortions to terminate an unwanted pregnancy. BPAS is offering telephone consultation and abortion pill treatment by post for treatment at home.

www.bpas.org

 

[JonathanM]

I don't know if lemonde is right or left wing, or if it matters, but they disagree

That's very thin. A few minor teething troubles after a change in the law.

Things aren't so rosy here

Why is it so hard get an abortion in the UK right now?

Women in the UK are being made to travel long distances and wait several weeks to access abortion care

www.dazeddigital.com

 

[denso13]

"During your consultation we will ask you questions to fully assess your situation. This will involve taking a full medical history and the date of your last period. We will also complete a safeguarding assessment. At the end of the consultation, we will assess if taking the pills at home is suitable for you. We may invite you to visit a clinic for a face-to-face clinical assessment."

Abortion Pill by Post | NUPAS

Our pills by post service allows our patients to take abortion pills at home without having to attend a clinic. A phone appointment will ensure this service is suitable. Find out more here.

www.nupas.co.uk

 

[motorbiking]

What can be bad about having a consultation?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

What can be bad about having a consultation?

Nothing. It's what you've been trying to ignore all the way through

 

[denso13]

What can be bad about having a consultation?

Nothing, it reinforces that abortion isn't on demand and needs approval.

 

[JonathanM]

"During your consultation we will ask you questions to fully assess your situation. This will involve taking a full medical history and the date of your last period. We will also complete a safeguarding assessment. At the end of the consultation, we will assess if taking the pills at home is suitable for you. We may invite you to visit a clinic for a face-to-face clinical assessment."

At what point in this process do the two doctor's sign the form?

 

[noseall]

what do you think the statute of limitation might be for the CPS to prosecute a woman who didn't get this approval you talk about?

More irrelevance.

 

[denso13]

At what point in this process do the two doctor's sign the form?

I don't think they do in this case.

 

[motorbiking]

So we are all agreed then.

A woman can request an abortion, the choice to have one is entirely hers. She can be given the drugs to do it at home if she is less than 10 weeks pregnant. She doesn't need the approval of a doctor a consultation with a suitable practitioner is fine. The role of the doctor is to confirm he/she is satisfied that has happened.
If over 10 weeks, it's a bit more complex, so she needs to go to a clinic, two doctors give an opinion that she is within the legal framework. The scope is only compliance with the legal exemption and not if it's the right course of action.
The exemptions have a very low bar and she can proceed, like the many hundreds of thousands who have been granted access, in the last 20 years with only 4 convictions. Any requirement for paperwork HSA1 or HSA4 is the doctor's responsibility and entirely irrelevant to her exemption.

 

[motorbiking]

Of course we could make it even easier, but since the introduction of the "telemedicine" scheme, there has been a significant increase in the number of women being investigated and charged (more in the last 2 years than the previous 20).

 

[carmanmemoranda]

a consultation with a suitable practitioner is fine. The role of the doctor is to confirm he/she is satisfied that has happened.
If over 10 weeks, it's a bit more complex, so she needs to go to a clinic, two doctors give an opinion that she is within the legal framework.

Glad you got there in the end

 

[motorbiking]

I don't think they do in this case.

They are ALL notifiable. Remember the requirement for the form has nothing to do with the woman.

 

[motorbiking]

Glad you got there in the end

So you accept that a doctors approval is not required?

1 down then. several more idiots to go.