Vive La France!

[Odds]

we sort of do, but if we want one like France, we need to dispatch Charles.

What we have is a body of Law dating back to the Days of Doom; a much more flexible Corpus than the set-in-stone Constitution that enshrines any given statute which makes it nigh impossible to change according to future requirements.
No need to abolish the Monarchy.

 

[motorbiking]

shame - it was worth a try.

 

[Odds]

Simply can a woman gave an abortion without a doctor, let alone 2, approving it.

No. The construction of the law around a doctor's good faith opinion was motivated firstly by a concern about the health consequences of unwanted pregnancy and backstreet abortion for women and their families, and secondly by an unwillingness to legislate for abortion on demand. Women in Britain cannot obtain abortions 'just because' they want them – doctors have to agree that they are warranted.


bpas.org

 

[fillyboy]

The political virtue signalling from Macron, doesn't appear to be making abortion easier to access in France

Indeed.

Abortion rights in France are still too limited after senate vote on constitution | Letter

Letters: Dani Anderson points out that a 14-week limit means that many people are still unable to get an abortion in France

www.theguardian.com

Last week’s vote to enshrine abortion rights in the constitution is a very welcome step from French senators (France to make abortion a constitutional right after senate vote, 28 February). Efforts to legally protect abortion access are extremely valuable when abortion rights are under threat in many parts of Europe – and we’ve seen in Poland how quickly abortion access can be overturned by undemocratic “tribunal” rulings.

While your article rightly points out that the French parliament voted to extend France’s legal limit for ending a pregnancy from 12 to 14 weeks in 2022, we would like add that in practice this 14-week limit means that many people are still unable to get an abortion in France. Abortion Support Network works to remove some of the barriers to getting an abortion by paying the costs of travelling for care in a clinic overseas, and while most of the people we help are in Poland and the Republic of Ireland, our third largest country demographic is people in France.
Dani Anderson
Abortion Support Network (England)

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Read section 3a and 3d of the abortion act.

Abortion Act 1967

An Act to amend and clarify the law relating to termination of pregnancy by registered medical practitioners.

www.legislation.gov.uk

If the pregnant woman’s usual place of residence is in England or Wales and she has had a consultation (in person, by telephone or by electronic means) with a registered medical practitioner, registered nurse or registered midwife about the termination of the pregnancy, the medicine may be self-administered by the pregnant woman at that place.

OK. Replace the word doctor with relevant medical person, and can a woman have an abortion without approval?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

No. The construction of the law around a doctor's good faith opinion was motivated firstly by a concern about the health consequences of unwanted pregnancy and backstreet abortion for women and their families, and secondly by an unwillingness to legislate for abortion on demand. Women in Britain cannot obtain abortions 'just because' they want them – doctors have to agree that they are warranted. That there is no right to abortion on demand is illustrated in three ways.

bpas.org

Either mbk is right or he isn't

I don't think a woman can just get an abortion as she wants.

Appears only mbk thinks its so

 

[motorbiking]

No. The construction of the law around a doctor's good faith opinion was motivated firstly by a concern about the health consequences of unwanted pregnancy and backstreet abortion for women and their families, and secondly by an unwillingness to legislate for abortion on demand. Women in Britain cannot obtain abortions 'just because' they want them – doctors have to agree that they are warranted. That there is no right to abortion on demand is illustrated in three ways.

bpas.org

but its not true..

The health care act of 2022 amended the abortion act

Subsections (3C) and (3D) apply where—

(a)the treatment referred to in subsection (3) consists of the prescription and administration of medicine, and

(b)the registered medical practitioner terminating the pregnancy is of the opinion, formed in good faith, that, if the medicine is administered in accordance with their instructions, the pregnancy will not exceed ten weeks at the time when the medicine is administered (or in the case of a course of medicine, when the first medicine in the course is administered).

(3C)If the usual place of residence of the registered medical practitioner terminating the pregnancy is in England or Wales, the medicine may be prescribed from that place by the registered medical practitioner.

(3D)If the pregnant woman’s usual place of residence is in England or Wales and she has had a consultation (in person, by telephone or by electronic means) with a registered medical practitioner, registered nurse or registered midwife about the termination of the pregnancy, the medicine may be self-administered by the pregnant woman at that place.

No Approval needed - just a consultation.

 

[Odds]

OK. Replace the word doctor with relevant medical person, and can a woman have an abortion without approval?

FFS. NO!

... the law makes very clear that the decision rests with two doctors, according to their own judgement about the impact of abortion versus childbirth on the woman's physical or mental health.

...on the question of the woman's social circumstances, the law does not state that doctors 'must' take account of a woman's environment, but that they 'may' do so. This means that doctors are not compelled to take these broader factors into account.

...the Abortion Act allows doctors the right to conscientious objection to authorising or performing abortions, except where this is necessary to save the woman's life or to prevent grave, permanent injury to her health. This means that women do not have the right to demand that any doctor performs an abortion for her.

The proposal by Dame Diana J. is to allow women the right to choose.

 

[motorbiking]

Either mbk is right or he isn't

I don't think a woman can just get an abortion as she wants.

Appears only mbk thinks its so

read it for yourself..

what do you conclude?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

read it for yourself..

what do you conclude?

That you are wrong.

 

[motorbiking]

Did you read it?

Medical termination under 10 weeks - different rules apply.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

A woman cannot go to a clinic and say I've had a consultation, can I have an abortion please.

Or can she

 

[motorbiking]

Under 10 weeks - She can get the pills by post, but I suspect she can walk in to a clinic and get them too. She needs a consultation, they are dangerous drugs.

Why are you struggling to understand the text?

 

[carmanmemoranda]

And over 10 weeks ?

You do know you are picking and choosing snippets and not full facts

 

[noseall]

Still needs the approval of two doctors.