Vive La France!

[noseall]

You should hear them talk in Christian forums if you want to hear real babble

Vinty is bad enough, ta.

 

[Notch7]

Plenty of secular females are pro life.
Stop kidding yourself.

What ‘pro-life feminists’ are arguing in the Mississippi abortion case

A brief to the Supreme Court from "pro-life feminist" scholars and organizations says abortion can stymie gender equity.

19thnews.org

Yes it’s true, some women are as brainwashed.

 

[JonathanM]

The vast majority (99.9%) of abortions carried out under ground C alone were reported as being performed because of a risk to the woman’s mental health. These were classified as F99 (mental disorder, not otherwise specified) under the International Classification of Disease version 10 (ICD-10).

Thanks for the link. It seems that they take this info from a form called HSA4. It makes it very easy for the doctor to use mental health as the reason. There's even a box to tick!

 

[JonathanM]

Wrong. There are other grounds which the assessment considers. Financial and environment is also assessed.

Your (strawman) posting the figures for abortion, will not change that, boyo. The law states....

It's just simpler to put it down to mental issues. Stick that in your strawman.

To be fair, the doctor doesn't have a choice. There is nowhere to mention the financial and social environment. They have to choose mental health as the reason because usually it is the only one of the limited options which might apply.

 

[Odds]

Thanks for the link. It seems that they take this info from a form called HSA4. It makes it very easy for the doctor to use mental health as the reason. There's even a box to tick!

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• A disorder characterized by behavioral and/or psychological abnormalities, often accompanied by physical symptoms. The symptoms may cause clinically significant distress or impairment in social and occupational areas of functioning. Representative examples include anxiety disorders, cognitive disorders, mood disorders and schizophrenia.

icd10data.com

Interesting: in that case, just about all pregnancies could be terminated for this reason - women are usually unhinged for the pregnancy.

 

[Notch7]

Consciousness in a child doesn't begin until long after its born.

So another of your spurious justifications for infanticide debunked

WRONG

I have have evidence from scientific sources that consciousness begins at some time not long after 24 weeks

Unlike your claimed evidence which has no sources.

When Does Consciousness Arise in Human Babies?

Does sentience appear in the womb, at birth or during early childhood?

www.scientificamerican.com

Magnetoencephalographic signatures of conscious processing before birth

The concept of fetal consciousness is a widely discussed topic. In this study, we applied a hierarchical rule learning paradigm to investigate the possibility of fetal conscious processing during the last trimester of pregnancy. We used fetal magnetoencephalography, ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0146000510000182

 

[Notch7]

Article from a scientific journal...


. New research shows that babies display glimmers of consciousness and memory as early as 5 months old

No link included

 

[noseall]

Believing that all lives are equal isn't dangerous.

People are born equal.

Anti abortionists are downright fúkkin dangerous.

 

[Notch7]

Although, seeing as how you have turned out.
Maybe abortion is justified in some cases

And now we are seeing what Vinty is really like as a person.

The truth comes out in the end

 

[Notch7]

So another of your spurious justifications for infanticide debunked

Infanticide is killing a baby between new born and 1 year


Your arguments are built on misinformation

 

[blup]

I've copied the section you linked below. Can you talk me through it? The first bit (in bold) seems to cover the crime of intentionally causing your own miscarriage by your own actions, the second bit (in italics) seems to cover another person deliberately causing a pregnant woman to miscarry. I just can't see the bit which says that when a pregnant woman allows somebody else to deliberately cause her to miscarry, that makes the pregnant woman herself guilty.

Presumably some sort of joint enterprise or conspiracy would apply.

But my question was really about what used to happen in practice. I've heard of the "backstreet abortionist" being prosecuted, but what happened to the woman herself.

The point made is there was enough legislation to cover the prosecution of women

 

[motorbiking]

whilst true, the act of requiring 2 doctors to sign a form approving the termination and has to be lodged with the chief medical officer, means abortion is not treated casually by the law

required standard operating procedures state abortion service providers should provide emotional support and counselling or refer women for support if they request this.

For women who require formal therapeutic counselling, services should have referral pathways in place with access to trained counsellors with appropriate expertise. Women who are unsure about whether to continue with the pregnancy or have an abortion should be offered counselling or decision-making support.

Its a quirk of statute.. In most situations things are legal unless made illegal. For things that are illegal we often have reasonable excuse arguments (e.g. criminal damage, self defence etc). In this case the offences against the person act makes it illegal to have one or to provide drugs or tools to enable it. Sec 58, says she must not cause a miscarriage and you must not help her to achieve the same - you risk life in prison. Sec 59 makes it illegal to supply tools or drugs for the same.

Offences against the Person Act 1861

An Act to consolidate and amend the Statute Law of England and Ireland relating to Offences against the Person.

www.legislation.gov.uk

The Abortion Act, basically over rules this. Had it been done today, they would have probably amended the offences against the person act.

But it doesn't really matter, Abortion is widely available and the legal test very low. Personally I think it should be recorded, even the provision of do it yourself drugs. It would be very easy for a woman to fake few pregnancy tests and phone up for abortion drugs in under 10 weeks and then pass them to someone who had say been refused an unlawful late abortion. There seem to be a dozen or so cases like this being investigated.

 

[denso13]

Hope the above helps.

Like I said, it isn't what the law says.

 

[motorbiking]

All proving you wrong must be embarrassing as some sort of lawyer.

If anybody actually believes you are

sorry I missed your post with your evidence. Can you point me to it?

 

[motorbiking]

I've copied the section you linked below. Can you talk me through it? The first bit (in bold) seems to cover the crime of intentionally causing your own miscarriage by your own actions, the second bit (in italics) seems to cover another person deliberately causing a pregnant woman to miscarry. I just can't see the bit which says that when a pregnant woman allows somebody else to deliberately cause her to miscarry, that makes the pregnant woman herself guilty.

Presumably some sort of joint enterprise or conspiracy would apply.

But my question was really about what used to happen in practice. I've heard of the "backstreet abortionist" being prosecuted, but what happened to the woman herself.

other Means whatsoever with the like Intent,