Vive La France!

[JonathanM]

Again. I see no point in changing something that works.

That aside, do you have any objection in principle, such as a moral or philosophical objection, to abortion being made a legal right?

 

[motorbiking]

You keep repeating that. But nobody is disagreeing with you.

I got the impression that you thought the bar was so low as to be meaningless. Why continue with it. If you believe that abortion is available de facto on request, why not just make it available on request.

Notch, carman, denso and noseall all state that approval of two doctors is required.

So yes people are disagreeing. I see no point in continuing to correct them. There are no more arguments to make, it’s clear in the act.

 

[JonathanM]

It’s down to the fact, all things being equal. That giving birth is on its own a very risky business for the woman. Therefore an abortion early on is most likely to be less risk to the woman than going full term. Add to the fact that the woman doesn’t want to continue with the pregnancy, you have clear level of distress.

Interestingly, in 99.9% of Ground C cases (98.5% of all cases overall) they go with mental health, rather than a physical risk.

 

[motorbiking]

That aside, do you have any objection in principle, such as a moral or philosophical objection, to abortion being made a legal right?

It is already a legal right subject to certain conditions. I think these conditions no matter how flexible are good.

If you make it a legal right. It compels an establishment to do it, in effect no matter what.

 

[motorbiking]

Interestingly, in 99.9% of Ground C cases (98.5% of all cases overall) they go with mental health, rather than a physical risk.

Did you spot that C is (a). ?

 

[JonathanM]

Did you spot that C is (a). ?

Yes, although part of a) is also D! A bit confusing

 

[JonathanM]

Notch, carman, denso and noseall all state that approval of two doctors is required.

That is separate to the mechanics of signing the form.

 

[Odds]

 

[JonathanM]

It is already a legal right subject to certain conditions. I think these conditions no matter how flexible are good.

If you make it a legal right. It compels an establishment to do it, in effect no matter what.

That's what feminists are trying to achive, it seems to me: a consultation with a doctor; complaints of 'mental health' issues. He signs the prescription and off she toddles to get the job done. Nice n' easy.

I think I would like a woman to have the option to say that she wants to have an abortion and not have to give a reason if she doesn't want to. To not have to say she is worried about money or that having the baby will cause her mental distress. I think that's what I think anyway! Until this thread it has been a while since I've thought about it seriously.

 

[JonathanM]

and off she toddles to get the job done. Nice n' easy.

I'm assuming you didn't mean to sound so flippant

 

[motorbiking]

I think I would like a woman to have the option to say that she wants to have an abortion and not have to give a reason if she doesn't want to. To not have to say she is worried about money or that having the baby will cause her mental distress. I think that's what I think anyway! Until this thread it has been a while since I've thought about it seriously.

I think its important that whoever is assessing them has a basis to check that this is a well thought out request with the knowledge of the complications, risks, process etc

 

[denso13]

whoever is assessing them has a basis to check that this is a well thought out request

And if they think, in their opinion, the criteria are not met then the can't sign off on it. I don't know what is so hard about this.

 

[motorbiking]

The thing that is hard (apparently) is you coming up with an example that would not meet the criteria. Do you have one?

 

[noseall]

That is separate to the mechanics of signing the form.

Correct.
No approval from doctors - no abortion.

 

[Odds]

I'm assuming you didn't mean to sound so flippant

Aye, folk round these parts do a lot o' that.