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[carmanmemoranda]

sorry I missed your post with your evidence. Can you point me to it?

There's pages of it

 

[carmanmemoranda]

No argument there..

Good to see you agree. Again.

It's been said so often, you agree. So why keep swerving

 

[noseall]

Notch, carman, denso and noseall all state that approval of two doctors is required.

Correct.
Did you imagine she could pop and see her yoga instructor and get one?
Whether the abortion is almost always granted (low bar) is irrelevant.
Unless it is approved by qualified medical professionals (doctors etc), no abortion

 

[motorbiking]

"....hello doctor, my partner here wants me to have an abortion...."

what does she want? does she agree?

 

[motorbiking]

Correct.
Did you imagine she could pop and see her yoga instructor and get one?
Whether the abortion is almost always granted (low bar) is irrelevant.
Unless it is approved my qualified medical professionals (doctors etc), no abortion

registered medical practitioner you mean.

 

[motorbiking]

You keep going on about about what the law actually says. It doesn't give an actual example. Shall we just ignore it?

Thats what we have case law for and prosecution guidelines

 

[denso13]

Thats what we have case law for and presution guidelines

I know.

 

[motorbiking]

Good to see you agree. Again.

It's been said so often, you agree. So why keep swerving

Perhaps you don't understand that there are two separate pieces of legislation governing two separate aspects. Perhaps the chippie, builder and local government officer aren't aware either?

The abortion act covers the exemption criteria

Abortion Act 1967

Abortion Act 1967

An Act to amend and clarify the law relating to termination of pregnancy by registered medical practitioners.

www.legislation.gov.uk

when a pregnancy is terminated by a registered medical practitioner if two registered medical practitioners are of the opinion, formed in good faith...

You see how it doesn't say they need to sign anything nor approve anything? Curious, I'm sure a chippie, a builder, a local government officer and some sort of car mechanic who are all experts in criminal law have argued otherwise. Perhaps there is case law or guidance?

Abortion Regulations 1991

The Abortion Regulations 1991

These Regulations (which extend to England and Wales) are made under section 2 of the Abortion Act 1967, and replace the Abortion Regulations 1968 and the three sets of amending regulations. These Regulations make new provision to take account in particular of the amendments to the Abortion Act...

www.legislation.gov.uk

Don't you find it strange that it's called a Certificate of Opinion. Not a Certificate of Approval?

Maybe its just semantics

 

[denso13]

registered medical practitioner you mean.

Yup, teenager...

 

[motorbiking]

you understand the difference?

Doctor or Consultant, not Nurse

The latter also being qualified medical professionals.

 

[denso13]

are of the opinion, formed in good faith...

Yes, you keep banging on about things which no one is disagreeing with. The problem arises when they are of the opinion that the criteria, by clinical judgement, aren't met.

 

[motorbiking]

Was it formed in good faith?

She finds someone else who can and until she can, she and anyone on the team doing the work risks prosecution under the offences against the person act.

we've discussed this pages pack.

So everyone is in agreement.

2 doctors give opinion, not approval yes or no?

I think you will say no.

 

[denso13]

not approval yes or no

Yes. If they sign it off she can proceed, if they don't she can't. You can argue till you're blue in the face that it doesn't mean approval but you're wrong.

 

[denso13]

and anyone on the team doing the work risks prosecution under the offences against the person act.

Only if the opinion formed was not in good faith.

 

[noseall]

registered medical practitioner you mean.

Yes. Not a wondow cleaner.
She needs to see a doctor otherwise no abortion.