We need to talk about Kevin, sorry, I mean ban-all-sheds

[JohnW2]

True, true and true. However, I think a few posts from other members in the same thread negate this risk, particularly if BAS isn't the first respondent.

Yes, that sometimes happens. However, it's also far from unknown that the OP is 'never seen again' after BAS has responded, particularly if he is one of the earlier responders.

Kind Regards, John

 

[Iggifer]

True. But hopefully they pick something useful up before the digressions - I'm sure they at least read the thread despite keeping quiet

 

[JohnW2]

True. But hopefully they pick something useful up before the digressions - I'm sure they at least read the thread despite keeping quiet

Maybe.

Kind Regards, John

 

[dpm_dpmartin]

I was once a first-time-poster. I haven't been scared-off... if a person needs help they will ask and they can often be assured of getting some good help here. I am not aware of another forum I can go to where I can get help or insight into home-related issues as diverse as electrics, plumbing, gardening...

I'm going to start another thread about electrics right now (not as a test or anything, I really want help!)... it'll be up there in 5 minutes or so.

 

[jj4091]

True, true and true. However, I think a few posts from other members in the same thread negate this risk, particularly if BAS isn't the first respondent.

Yes, that sometimes happens. However, it's also far from unknown that the OP is 'never seen again' after BAS has responded, particularly if he is one of the earlier responders.

Kind Regards, John

How can you possibly know that it was because of any individuals response to a post. In the appliance section people post hoping for some sort of miracle advice telling them where to kick their appliance in order to effect an instant repair. When they obviously don't get that information they are never heard from again.

 

[mattylad]

A great many new posters are never seen again after the first post, they ask their question - get the answer and never return.
It's not just threads BAS has replied to.

q: In fact, how many threads BAS has replied to have the new posters replied with further details etc after BAS's questions & comments?
I cant tell or be assed to try & find out but I bet it's not zero.

And in that q: simply replase BAS with almost anyone elses name

 

[JohnW2]

True, true and true. However, I think a few posts from other members in the same thread negate this risk, particularly if BAS isn't the first respondent.

Yes, that sometimes happens. However, it's also far from unknown that the OP is 'never seen again' after BAS has responded, particularly if he is one of the earlier responders.

How can you possibly know that it was because of any individuals response to a post.

One can't, and that was really my point - that Iggifer's comment that "a few posts from other members in the same thread negate this risk" does not work if an OP is (for whatever reason) 'never seen again'.

Kind Regards, John

 

[JohnW2]

A great many new posters are never seen again after the first post, they ask their question - get the answer and never return.

Indeed. However it's the ones who "ask their question - don't get the answer and never return" that I am more concerned about. However, we will almost never know for sure why they did not return, so we can but speculate.

Kind Regards, John

 

[bernardgreen]

More and more often a first time poster includes a request like "be kind to me" or "go easy on me" which could suggest some new posters are nervous about getting a reprimand for the content of their first post.

 

[JohnW2]

More and more often a first time poster includes a request like "be kind to me" or "go easy on me" which could suggest some new posters are nervous about getting a reprimand for the content of their first post.

Yes, I've noticed that - even today, from a member who has recently posted in this thread. However, one can, of course, only speculate as to why they write such things.

Kind Regards, John

 

[ban-all-sheds]

True, true and true. However, I think a few posts from other members in the same thread negate this risk, particularly if BAS isn't the first respondent.

Yes, that sometimes happens. However, it's also far from unknown that the OP is 'never seen again' after BAS has responded, particularly if he is one of the earlier responders.

Kind Regards, John

How can you possibly know that it was because of any individuals response to a post. In the appliance section people post hoping for some sort of miracle advice telling them where to kick their appliance in order to effect an instant repair. When they obviously don't get that information they are never heard from again.

A great many new posters are never seen again after the first post, they ask their question - get the answer and never return.
It's not just threads BAS has replied to.

q: In fact, how many threads BAS has replied to have the new posters replied with further details etc after BAS's questions & comments?
I cant tell or be assed to try & find out but I bet it's not zero.

And in that q: simply replase BAS with almost anyone elses name

Do you have the figures for the entire site of the number of people who come here with one question to ask about, and don't come back?

Seems to me that skotl was choosing to blame me for that happening when he has no idea how common it is in instances where I've not been involved or have not said anything remotely contentious. Probably because he's one of the group of people here who think it's perfectly OK to criticise me for things where they have zero evidence.

 

[empip]

I guess if you come here expecting sympathy - you'll need to consult General Patton's ghost - 'Sympathy' is a word in the dictionary somewhere between 'Shi t' and 'Syphilis' - You may expect similar !
I don't think things go down well when peeps post without some sort of research... Or blatantly looking for an angle to beat regulations.

Most of all I, for one, would prefer not to have anyone instructing me who I should read or believe, think for yourself - If you ain't happy always remember there is no barbed wire around the exit (or time office - As they used to say).

Some things go on for ever ! Even FWL has seems to have returned

Oh, and he's no more Kevin than I am !!

-0-

 

[shagster]

It's not that I left, but I avoid posting certain types of questions due to BAS. I go instead to http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk, where they are more polite, and just as knowledgeable. I don't care if he gets banned or not, that is for the forum admins to decide. They invest a lot more time and energy in this forum than me. The forum - and BAS - will still be useful to me from other posts.

I don't believe anyone posts information purely for altruistic purposes on any forum. Some are building their own ego, some their knowledge, some are trade and want to assure their business by discouraging DIY. Some might even be bored/addicted. Everyone has their agenda. The great thing about the internet, is that whatever any individual does, the information is the winner, and you usually get the information you're after one way or another.

It's worth noting, than even if we agree BAS is one POS egotistical w****r, this doesn't stop his presence here being useful. Whether you ban such a person is down to the personal preference of the admins. I ran a forum with ~3000 members and I had a zero-tolerance for flames, it was just the way I wanted to run the thing, so I banned any spam or insults. If I wanted to introduce a new DIY forum I'd be free to run it as I pleased. It would take me ~1 hour using free hosting, and I suspect most of that time would be spent choosing the phpBB theme . If there was demand it would just take off. The biggest difficulty is finding trustworthy 'lieutenants' to police it with your values and vision. This is vital if you want to avoid it become a spam-haven, or else you give up part of your life to doing the work yourself.

I think there is (in the UK) a bit of an obsession with diynot.com. It has been immensely popular and successful. There is room in the market for further forums, and it shouldn't be considered as a slight to this forum to say it. Different admins bring with them different perspectives and focus. Even the look/feel of the forum can affect the types of contributions. I very much hope we'll see more in the future, to cater to everyone's requirements, and I don't say that just because of BAS!

 

[EFLImpudence]

I go instead to http://www.electriciansforums.co.uk, where they are more polite, and just as knowledgeable.

Really? In between all the nonsense?

 

[Iggifer]

If I wanted to introduce a new DIY forum I'd be free to run it as I pleased. It would take me ~1 hour using free hosting, and I suspect most of that time would be spent choosing the phpBB theme . If there was demand it would just take off

Crack on then. I think you'd struggle to find any free host that would/could host a forum even 10% of the size of this one for free. I imagine 3,100,000 messages creates a SQL database of a good few hundred meg, and that's before you even try and store all the attachments, avatars etc.

There are other DIY forums, but there's a reason why some are (much) bigger and more popular than others