Well, that went well didn’t it?

[noseall]

I posted the sentencing guidelines, do you need a link?

An answer to the above (quoted) post question would be better please?

 

[motorbiking]

I literally just told you where you can find the answer and asked if you needed me to repost the link.

Are you really as stupid as you come across?

 

[noseall]

I literally just told you where you can find the answer and asked if you needed me to repost the link.

Are you incapable of answering a simple question?

So everyone guilty of say a s18 offence receives exactly the same punishment? Or is that down to the discretion of the Judge?

 

[motorbiking]

I’m about to take off.

Racial hatred offences/ Hatred against persons on religious grounds or grounds of sexual orientation – Sentencing

www.sentencingcouncil.org.uk

 

[noseall]

I’m about to take off.

Before you do the answer is no, to this...

So everyone guilty of say a s18 offence receives exactly the same punishment?

Its down to the discretion of the judge.

 

[noseall]

No I am not. Some have been convicted of online offences and judges have set the sentences. End of - it's how the system works. There is no point on that basis with comparing with other crimes. It is as it is.

I think MBK must have got confused with 'start' point' and 'maximum sentence'. He didn't realise that the judge had a lot of choices in between, lol.

 

[motorbiking]

Landed. Doesn’t look like you read it then.

Looks like noseall likes to ask questions that he thinks he already knows the answer to…

But doesn’t.

 

[noseall]

Landed. Doesn’t look like you read it then.

Looks like noseall likes to ask questions that he thinks he already knows the answer to…

But doesn’t.

Give it up boyo, you are a laughing stock, as per.

The truth is, that perp's found guilty for exactly the same crime, contrary to the same act, blah blah blah, can be sentenced to the maximum, the minimum or 10 million places in between, according to how the judge views their culpability.

 

[motorbiking]

Hilarious.. oh wait you’re serious.

No need for sentence guidelines or decided cases if it’s up to the judge’s discretion, then.

Remind me what happens if the judge gives an overly harsh or lenient sentence? Is there grounds for appeal.

Judge’s discretion judges have to follow the guidelines. If you read them for s18 offences you’ll see there isn’t much room for discretion. He cant sentence you to 2 years and the other guy 1 year because he thought you were a tw@t

Appeal a Crown Court decision

How to appeal a decision by a Crown Court. Find out which forms you'll need and what the appeal process involves.

www.gov.uk

 

[Notch7]

Plenty of armed robbers get lower sentences than stupid Karen's ranting on Twitter

Have you never heard the phrase “making an example……”

You are conflating the use of tough sentences to halt the spreading public disorder with regular crime.

 

[noseall]

Remind me what happens if the judge gives an overly harsh or lenient sentence? Is there grounds for appeal.

Judge’s discretion judges have to follow the guidelines. If you read them for s18 offences you’ll see there isn’t much room for discretion. He cant sentence you to 2 years and the other guy 1 year because he thought you were a tw@t

Appeal a Crown Court decision

How to appeal a decision by a Crown Court. Find out which forms you'll need and what the appeal process involves.

www.gov.uk

More waffle and nowt to do with what I said.

Typical deflective MBK.

 

[noseall]

Have you never heard the phrase “making an example……”

You are conflating the use of tough sentences to halt the spreading public disorder with regular crime.

He's tying himself in knots again. The point is a judge can give varying degrees of punishment or lengths of sentence (within the guideline parameters) for the same breach of an act or law, depending on mitigating circumstances or culpability, remorse or or contrition etc. In fact, they can vary quite a lot.

He's just plain old wrong again and will keep on referring back to his pointless vague guidelines, lol.

 

[ellal]

The point is a judge can give varying degrees of punishment or lengths of sentence (within the guideline parameters) for the same breach of an act or law, depending on mitigating circumstances or culpability, remorse or or contrition etc. In fact, they can vary quite a lot.

And not only that, but gender often comes into play even though it shouldn't...

It'll be interesting to see what happens here...

"A mother and daughter who took part in disorder that broke out in Middlesbrough while they were walking the family dog have been jailed."

"The pair admitted violent disorder at a previous hearing and Walton was jailed for 22 months and Davison 20 months"

"Davison's partner, Jake Wray, is awaiting sentence after admitting the same offence after he stopped cars at a junction to ask drivers if they were "white" or "English". He will be sentenced next week"

 

[motorbiking]

He's tying himself in knots again. The point is a judge can give varying degrees of punishment or lengths of sentence (within the guideline parameters) for the same breach of an act or law, depending on mitigating circumstances or culpability, remorse or or contrition etc. In fact, they can vary quite a lot.

He's just plain old wrong again and will keep on referring back to his pointless vague guidelines, lol.

Which you didn't read. Clearly. But the above is close. So it looks like you went back and gave it another try. Well done. That wasn’t so hard. What’s the phrase.. Give it up boyo.

 

[motorbiking]

And not only that, but gender often comes into play even though it shouldn't...

It'll be interesting to see what happens here...

"A mother and daughter who took part in disorder that broke out in Middlesbrough while they were walking the family dog have been jailed."

"The pair admitted violent disorder at a previous hearing and Walton was jailed for 22 months and Davison 20 months"

"Davison's partner, Jake Wray, is awaiting sentence after admitting the same offence after he stopped cars at a junction to ask drivers if they were "white" or "English". He will be sentenced next week"

Women do typically get lower sentences than men.

Sobbing is a great mitigator not documented in the guidelines.