Well, that went well didn’t it?

motorbiking said:
You have invented a scenario of being guilty of causing a riot and are now trying to fit it in to the offence of rioting.

A police officer assaults an innocent black man due to mistaken identity, the outrage causes a riot.

A politician makes a provocative speech which triggers a protest. The protest turns in to a riot.

A journalist incorrectly reports on a story which causes public anger which turns in to a riot.

All 3 have caused a riot. None are guilty of sec 1 public order - rioting.
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The scenario was (in your original post) that the perp' was guilty. You asked about stiffer sentences.

So on that basis I asked you a yes/no question in a similar capacity, to which you floundered and waffled.

The perp is guilty of inciting a riot. Should they be jailed? Yes/no?

It really is not that difficult (to play your game) boyo.
 
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Inciting. Finally. Not the same as causing obviously.

Someone who incites a riot is guilty of a very serious offence. Yes they should go to prison.

Do you think someone who posts stupid racism on twitter is guilty of inciting a riot?

Do you think the same person should go to prison for longer than someone convicted of robbery while in possession of a knife. (Armed robbery). ?
 
Maybe concentrate on articulating the content of your own head, before guessing what others think.

The fact is. Posting stupid racist inflammatory hate comments on a forum gets you longer in jail that some armed robbers get.

These are just stupid gullible people and many pose no real threat to society. Anyone getting more than 2 years in prison is going to get their life seriously impacted long term. Ability to work, travel etc. long after they are released.

Armed robbers aren’t particularly bothered about this and pose a threat to society.
 
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motorbiking said:
Of course a judge follows rules. Otherwise there are grounds for appeal. It’s why we have sentencing guidelines and minimum and max sentences.
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True but the CPS set the charges to a set of legal rules. Actually given some comments I am not sure if the correct laws are being considered. True a new online law comes into action next year but am not sure if there are any current laws.
The new laws are much narrower, and make it an offence to send false or threatening communications with the intent “to cause non-trivial psychological or physical harm to a likely audience”. Other offences are wholly new. The act makes it a crime to “encourage or assist” serious self-harm.
www.theguardian.com

What is the UK’s Online Safety Act and what powers will it provide?

New laws expected to come into force in 2025 are under spotlight after online planning of far-right riots in England
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The only unusual factor concerning the general riot aspect is speed of prosecution as a deterrent was needed to halt them. It has. Reports of more new arrests are still being mentioned - a you wont get away with it area. There is no saying how long this will continue.

A judge did comment - in some cases he would have been happy with a charge of rioting which has a longer sentence than the one that has been generally used. At least one person has been charged with rioting.

Some have also been charged with pure online offences.
 
motorbiking said:
Maybe concentrate on articulating the content of your own head, before guessing what others think.

The fact is. Posting stupid racist inflammatory hate comments on a forum gets you longer in jail that some armed robbers get.

These are just stupid gullible people and many pose no real threat to society. Anyone getting more than 2 years in prison is going to get their life seriously impacted long term. Ability to work, travel etc. long after they are released.

Armed robbers aren’t particularly bothered about this and pose a threat to society.
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Armed robbers pose a specific threat to a specific person / groups of people, at a specific point in time.

"Posting stupid racist inflammatory hate comments" has - demonstrably - had far wider reach, and far greater consequences, for far greater numbers of people.

I'm not arguing whether one group be more harshly treated than the other or not; just giving an alternative view on how the relative severities can be differently viewed.
 
motorbiking said:
Maybe concentrate on articulating the content of your own head, before guessing what others think.

The fact is. Posting stupid racist inflammatory hate comments on a forum gets you longer in jail that some armed robbers get.

These are just stupid gullible people and many pose no real threat to society. Anyone getting more than 2 years in prison is going to get their life seriously impacted long term. Ability to work, travel etc. long after they are released.

Armed robbers aren’t particularly bothered about this and pose a threat to society.
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And that's down to who?

People like you suggesting that encouraging people to burn down buildings full of people isn't a serious issue.

Free speech comes at a price, responsibility
 
motorbiking said:
Maybe concentrate on articulating the content of your own head, before guessing what others think.
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Does anyone see a specific offence stated below....

motorbiking said:
Do you think you should go to prison for longer if you rob a convenience store armed with a knife or post a racist article on twitter due to misinformation?

Yes or no?
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...take your own head out of your arris and your hypocrisy will become clear.
 
carmanmemoranda said:
And that's down to who?

People like you suggesting that encouraging people to burn down buildings full of people isn't a serious issue.

Free speech comes at a price, responsibility
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I haven’t said that. I’ve questioned if they should get longer sentences than armed robbers.
 
You did say...

These are just stupid gullible people and many pose no real threat to society. Anyone getting more than 2 years in prison is going to get their life seriously impacted long term. Ability to work, travel etc. long after they are released.

Trivialising their actions
 
Brigadier said:
"Posting stupid racist inflammatory hate comments" has - demonstrably - had far wider reach, and far greater consequences, for far greater numbers of people.
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I had no idea just how difficult and abhorrent, telling the truth, is to the RWR. Especially when you consider that if their sinister lies lead to rioting or even deaths etc, they think it's ok.

What's so bad about telling the truth?

What is so attractive about misinformation that they will defend it at any cost?

Fugging dumb RWR gammon nutters.
 
motorbiking said:
armed robbers
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Which has it's own set of rules
Depending on what you are charged with, your sentence could range from anywhere from four or five years to life imprisonment. The maximum prison sentence for armed robbery is life imprisonment.
That via a google heading. More detail on the firms web pages
Even the most minor of robberies will be taken very seriously by the courts. The sentences given are typically 8 years down to community service, depending on whether a weapon was present.
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What is the sentence for Armed Robbery in 2023?

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