F1 qualifying.
The blackness of the sky is quite impressive.
The blackness of the sky is quite impressive.
What are you watching on TV right now?
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Mayhem.
Two goals.
A further four disallowed.
Five yellows.
A red.
Could easily have been another two reds.
Then half time came
Two goals.
A further four disallowed.
Five yellows.
A red.
Could easily have been another two reds.
Then half time came
Boring!
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Yes it can be, tell my mrs that.
I just read the match report and one of the comments says:Mayhem.
Two goals.
A further four disallowed.
Five yellows.
A red.
Could easily have been another two reds.
Then half time came
I think VAR should be applied on the same principle as "challenges" in tennis: each team has three opportunities + one if extra time is played and the bench must trigger it.
They have a point. A good deal of time was spent analysing the action rather than watching the game and if a team knows it only has three challenges it'd make them much more pragmatic - the NFL has that system and it works out well enough.
I hear your point, but I disagree with it - especially the NFL comparison.
NFL - by nature - lends itself to VAR; it is stop-start (emphasis on the "stop" part
), and collisions and interactions are permitted, all across the field.Offside apart, pretty much all of the permitted action is close-enough to the ball to negate the need for VAR and, even then, the offside situation is entirely dictated by the ball.
They should just go back to the ref. refereeing the game, and the VAR shutting the fudge up, except for clear and obvious errors:
- left-back elbowing winger, while ball is at the other end of the pitch; VAR lets ref know
- five minutes to decide if the striker is a toenail offside? Get a grip; hardly "clear and obvious" error, is it? Leave it to the lino and ref.
The studio warriors and "fans" will still have something to rabbit about. Which is really all that the broadcasters and meeja want anyway
It was only introduced for 'clear and obvious errors' in the first place but ref's increasingly rely on it for all sorts of things - the old joke about asking a woman to explain offside won't work anymore: nobody can say what it is for sure. Is he active? was her elbow beyond the line? Meh!I hear your point, but I disagree with it - especially the NFL comparison.
NFL - by nature - lends itself to VAR; it is stop-start (emphasis on the "stop" part
Offside apart, pretty much all of the permitted action is close-enough to the ball to negate the need for VAR and, even then, the offside situation is entirely dictated by the ball.
They should just go back to the ref. refereeing the game, and the VAR shutting the fudge up, except for clear and obvious errors:
- left-back elbowing winger, while ball is at the other end of the pitch; VAR lets ref know
- five minutes to decide if the striker is a toenail offside? Get a grip; hardly "clear and obvious" error, is it? Leave it to the lino and ref.
The studio warriors and "fans" will still have something to rabbit about. Which is really all that the broadcasters and meeja want anyway
Three challenges would speed up the game and if you get a bad call after using them, tough noogies!
I wouldn't speed up the game though, would it?
You only lose a challenge if [the VAR / ref.] deems it unjustified; otherwise, it becomes a farce (opposition have a green light to "push it", as well as it fundamentally changing the nature of football).
Given the current situation with VAR, they're taking five minutes to pore over widths-of-hairs, then finding that it really was "off", or a foul, or whatever.
"Challenge" retained.
Football is, by nature, a messy game. Once you start to look at every aspect of it with forensic rigour, you can do nothing other than see things that are infringing the laws.
And so, we're back to "clear and obvious"; which is down to:
- Howard Webb issuing a clear communique ("This is the way; it is up for discussion at the end of the season", and not before")
- ref can call on VAR for assistance, if they're not sure
- VAR can only highlight off-ball stuff to ref (that he or his linos can't reasonably have been expected to have spotted)
And every time "Carraghhhhhh" or whoever picks apart a decision - with the benefit of ten minutes of 4k ultra slow-motion footage - they should be escorted from the studio, and their salary donated to a good cause local to the home team
Howard Webb: the man who thought this 'tackle' wasn't worth a red card?I wouldn't speed up the game though, would it?
You only lose a challenge if [the VAR / ref.] deems it unjustified; otherwise, it becomes a farce (opposition have a green light to "push it", as well as it fundamentally changing the nature of football).
Given the current situation with VAR, they're taking five minutes to pore over widths-of-hairs, then finding that it really was "off", or a foul, or whatever.
"Challenge" retained.
Football is, by nature, a messy game. Once you start to look at every aspect of it with forensic rigour, you can do nothing other than see things that are infringing the laws.
And so, we're back to "clear and obvious"; which is down to:
- Howard Webb issuing a clear communique ("This is the way; it is up for discussion at the end of the season", and not before")
- ref can call on VAR for assistance, if they're not sure
- VAR can only highlight off-ball stuff to ref (that he or his linos can't reasonably have been expected to have spotted)
And every time "Carraghhhhhh" or whoever picks apart a decision - with the benefit of ten minutes of 4k ultra slow-motion footage - they should be escorted from the studio, and their salary donated to a good cause local to the home team
And behind the VAR screen is another ref who still makes 'clear and obvious errors', such as the recent match at Bournemouth.
The obvious solution is to turn it all over to AI.
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