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[Deleted member 18243]

so you don't agree with free speech ?

Of course I agree with free speech. Pat is free to say what he likes, but equally so I am free to ignore him.

Freedom to ignore speech is just as important as freedom to speak.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Of course I agree with free speech. Pat is free to say what he likes, but equally so I am free to ignore him.

Freedom to ignore speech is just as important as freedom to speak.

Sort of confirmation bias then?

 

[Odds]

Sort of confirmation bias then?

Not really. His right to choose is inherent to personal freedom to make a choice regarding any action taken.
His understanding of the matter will be different from yours because you don't think the same way.
Both can be equally valid from your personal perspective.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Not really. His right to choose is inherent to personal freedom to make a choice regarding any action taken.
His understanding of the matter will be different from yours because you don't think the same way.
Both can be equally valid from your personal perspective.

Ok but

If you only read what you agree with you will get confirmation bias. It doesn't mean he has to swap his viewpoint, but understand the argument

 

[Odds]

Ok but

If you only read what you agree with you will get confirmation bias. It doesn't mean he has to swap his viewpoint, but understand the argument

Fair enough. But if his understanding is different then you'll never reach a consensus of opinion, will you?

I think Voltaire puts it in a nutshell:
"I may disagree with what you say, but defend your right to say it."

Although nowadays we add the caveat: "unless you're using that right to incite hatred and violence."

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Ok but

If you only read what you agree with you will get confirmation bias.

I am sure that is true, but there are other reasons why one might choose to ignore something.

It has been said that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth. Also, the repetition makes the lie become so widespread as to blot out the truth.The lie eventually becomes, to borrow a cliche, "too big to fail". It is a method well used by advertisers, publicists, politicians and the media. (Covid is an example of a lie that became too big to fail).

When I hear what I know to be a lie I don't need to hear the repetitions and so I stop listening. The truth, when it eventually emerges, will come from other sources, and certainly not from the source that told you the lie.

 

[Pat ex]

Why don't they relocate to Benidorm.

Brexit put paid to that idea. You can't now even if you wanted to.

 

[Pat ex]

Remainers would say that's close enough for a majority and would continue saying it for years after.

Find me a Remainer who claims that less that 50% is a majority.
I know there's plenty of fantasists on here who claim all sorts of imaginations, but put your money where your mouth is, and prove what you claim is true.

 

[Pat ex]

PatEx on ignore, along with all his other noms de plume!

That'll be because you've been proven to be a fantasist who can't justify your fantasy.

 

[Pat ex]

I've had enough of him, I've gone along with his nonsense for long enough in this incarnation of him.

I'll start a thread about bringing back slavery, 40 year old child migrants or the number of black people on telly and watch him surface under another name.

But you'll never know because you claim to be ignoring me.

 

[Pat ex]

I don't give him the time of day anymore Andy who've you've replied to.

That's fine by me, but I'll continue to ridicule your ludicrous ramblings.

 

[denso13]

It has been said that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth.

When I hear what I know to be a lie I don't need to hear the repetitions and so I stop listening.

Finally...

 

[Pat ex]

I am sure that is true, but there are other reasons why one might choose to ignore something.

When you've been proven to be a fantasist, and you continue to spout fantasy, it's difficult to read the proof time and time again that you've spouted fantasy. It's easier to ignore the proof than it is to be embarrassed time and time again.

It has been said that if you repeat a lie enough times it becomes the truth. Also, the repetition makes the lie become so widespread as to blot out the truth.The lie eventually becomes, to borrow a cliche, "too big to fail". It is a method well used by advertisers, publicists, politicians and the media. (Covid is an example of a lie that became too big to fail).

But when the proof is out there, and placed under your nose, you prefer to close your eyes, and ears and pretend it's not there.
But the rest of the world continues to see your lies, but it never makes them true.
Quite the reverse it confirms your spouting lies, and you prefer to ignore the truth.

When I hear what I know to be a lie I don't need to hear the repetitions and so I stop listening. The truth, when it eventually emerges, will come from other sources, and certainly not from the source that told you the lie.

I've taken the liberty of rearranging your comment slightly.

When you tell what you know to be a lie you refuse to hear the repetitions and so you stop listening. The truth, when it emerged, came from other sources, and certainly not from the you, the source that told the lie.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

Also, the repetition makes the lie become so widespread as to blot out the truth.The lie eventually becomes, to borrow a cliche, "too big to fail". It is a method well used by advertisers, publicists, politicians and the media. (Covid is an example of a lie that became too big to fail).

So nobody died of COVID? Try telling that to someone whose partner did.

And on the subject of lies morphing into perceived truths, what about the political lies that the Tories are good with the economy and that Bozo the Clown is a winner? Two of the biggest lies out there

The truth, when it eventually emerges, will come from other sources, and certainly not from the source that told you the lie.

We are back to Bozo again (the source of many, many lies)

 

[transam]

That's up to you.

But it makes a mockery of arguing for free speech.

It's like Gant. Spouts continuous unsupported drivel, but he is allowed to. Downright incorrect (unsupportable ) information (fake news) is different. But his general drivel is free speech

Free speech

Transam is a firm believer in the caper