Who are you going to vote for?

[SammyInnit]

You must be bodd, and sammyinit, and notch, and durhamplumber and vinty, and festive. I am using the notch logic to assume that all those that have the same tactics, on this occasion retreating into absurdity when their argument is exposed to be nonsense, must be the same person.

Ok Himmy.

 

[jasonzyx]

Ok Himmy.

No problem, jimmy fidler.

 

[EFLImpudence]

You must be bodd, and sammyinit, and notch, and durhamplumber and vinty, and festive. I am using the notch logic to assume that all those that have the same tactics, on this occasion retreating into absurdity when their argument is exposed to be nonsense, must be the same person.

Yes, of course I am.

It is not a valid response to claims that you have had numerous usernames merely to accuse others of the same.
It's the response of a child.


I don't know who you are, nor what are your motives here, but you are using the modern politics of confusion. You just talk rubbish and say anything you want making it impossible to have meaningful discussion.

You're like Trump who says he respects Angela and Germany because his father is, eh, was German, was born in a very wonderful place in Germany.
His father was born in New York so that makes the rest of the statement invalid?

 

[jasonzyx]

It is not a valid response to claims that you have had numerous usernames merely to accuse others of the same.
It's the response of a child.

I did say it was based on notch's logic.

I don't know who you are, nor what are your motives here, but you are using the modern politics of confusion. You just talk rubbish and say anything you want making it impossible to have meaningful discussion.

Your underlying ideology on which you base your ridiculous claims that racism can only exist between people of different races has been exposed as utterly false, racist, and scientifically dísproven, and you have the audacity to suggest that it is my fault that you cannot have a meaningful discussion.
I do know what your motives have been, but can longer be applied. Your motive was to try to dilute and ridicule racism, based on an underlying racist ideology.

 

[EFLImpudence]

I'll try once more:

Your underlying ideology on which you base your ridiculous claims that racism can only exist between people of different races has been exposed as utterly false, racist, and scientifically dísproven, and you have the audacity to suggest that it is my faulty that you cannot have a meaningful discussion.

You cannot have it both ways.
Either, there is only one race, therefore it is you who is saying there is no such thing as racism, but nonsensically use the word to mean prejudice against anyone with the slightest difference. E.g. (which started this) Bas calling Transam racist for making a steriotypical joke against the French.
Are all Irish jokes racist? I believe the Irish make the same jokes about people from Kerry; are they racist?

Or, it only applies to the groups for what most people think racist, therefore those groups must be races - even if scientifically not accurate.
Has a white person ever been accused of racism against another white person?
Has a black person ever been accused of racism against another black person?

I do know what your motives have been, but can longer be applied. Your motive was to try to dilute and ridicule racism, based on an underlying racist ideology.

On the contrary, it is you who is diluting it by not limitting its use to what most people call racist.

Why is it that abuse against white footballers is not called racist?



Anyway, even if I were wrong in pointing out something is not racist, that does not mean I am racist.

As before, if I correct you and state that a spider is not an insect, it does not make me an insect.
Even if I wrongly correct you and state that an ant is not an insect, it does not make me an insect.

 

[jasonzyx]

You cannot have it both ways.
Either, there is only one race, therefore it is you who is saying there is no such thing as racism, but nonsensically use the word to mean prejudice against anyone with the slightest difference. E.g. (which started this) Bas calling Transam racist for making a steriotypical joke against the French.

You are the one that claims racist incidents cannot be racist because the people involved are the same race!
Racism is not only prejudice against others of a different ethnicity.
Islamophobia and antisemitism are forms of racism, but can exist between Jews and Palestinians.
Prejudice against French, Scots, Irish, etc, by British people is a form of racism.
As is prejudice against British by French, Irish, Scots, etc people.

Are all Irish jokes racist? I believe the Irish make the same jokes about people from Kerry; are they racist?

when jokes include some mythical stereotypical characteristic, then they may be racist, irrespective of who is the perpetrator.

Or, it only applies to the groups for what most people think racist, therefore those groups must be races - even if scientifically not accurate.

You are retreating into absurdity.
There is only one human race.
Racism is not about a scientifically based definition of race (for which one does not exist).
Racism is based on the socially constructed concept of race. We can interchange the word race for ethnicity, nationality or culture. In the animal world the word breed is used. That used to be a word used in human society, but is now considered impolite.

On the contrary, it is you who is diluting it by not limitting its use to what most people call racist.

Utter nonsense. The word 'racism' could be changed for ethnicitism, nationalism, culturalism , etc. But the word race is a left over from decades ago, when it was thought that there were different races.
Today's science has disproven that out-dated theory. But the term race, on which the term racism is based, remains in use.

Why is it that abuse against white footballers is not called racist?

Because it may not be based on stereotypical characteristics of white people?
I thought you could have worked that out for yourself.

Anyway, even if I were wrong in pointing out something is not racist, that does not mean I am racist.

It does when you rely on a fundamental racist ideology for your argument

Even if I wrongly correct you and state that an ant is not an insect, it does not make me an insect.

If insects could have an ideology, and you rely on that insect ideology to support your theory, it probably does prove that you are an insect. Your behaviour, your argument and your underlying ideology proves it.

 

[EFLImpudence]

Well, some of that is more unbelievable twaddle not worthy of a reply.
Literally, it is unbelievable that someone could write such twaddle and be considered serious..



However, please define "a form of racism".
Do you mean something that is similar to racism but not actually racism?


Plus, whatever I say or believe, how can I ever be an insect as I only have four limbs?

 

[jasonzyx]

However, please define "a form of racism".
Do you mean something that is similar to racism but not actually racism?

It is not difficult. Racism is found in many forms.
Whether it is between different ethicities, different nationalities, different cultures, different religions, they are all forms of racism.

Plus, whatever I say or believe, how can I ever be an insect as I only have four limbs?

If you bark like a dog, you are probably a dog.
If you believe in insect ideology on which to base your arguments (if it was possible for insects to have an ideology) it would be reasonable to describe you as an insect.

 

[Notch7]

Whether it is between different ethicities, different nationalities, different cultures, different religions, they are all forms of racism.

But its usually found between different races.

The clues in the word racism.

 

[EFLImpudence]

It is not difficult. Racism is found in many forms.
Whether it is between different ethicities, different nationalities, different cultures, different religions, they are all forms of racism.

What do you mean by "forms of racism"?
Not examples; a definition.

If you bark like a dog, you are probably a dog.

I don't.

If you believe in insect ideology on which to base your arguments (if it was possible for insects to have an ideology) it would be reasonable to describe you as an insect.

Yet it would be - simply wrong.

 

[jasonzyx]

But its usually found between different races.

The clues in the word racism.

So you also believe in the outdated, Victorian, Darwinian, scientifically disproven theory that there is more than one human race?

 

[Notch7]

If you bark like a dog, you are probably a dog.

No, baboons, rodents, deer, macaws, ostriches also bark.

 

[EFLImpudence]

So you also believe in the outdated, Victorian, Darwinian, scientifically disproven theory that there is more than one human race?

Or - people use the word for what race means today

which is probably why it is used in official documents along with and separate from other characteristics.

 

[jasonzyx]

What do you mean by "forms of racism"?[

FFS, mental ill health can exist in many forms. We cannot provide one definition that suits all.
Schizophrenia is a form of mental ill health. It isn't the only one, it's just one form, one example, one type of mental ill health.

Racism exists when people are prejudicial against others for perceived characteristics, especially when those characteristics are based on nationality, ethnicity, religion or cultural differences. There may be other forms of racism that I have not mentioned.

I don't.[

It was a figurative comment. if you think like a racist, base your beliefs on a racist ideology, then you are a racist.

Yet it would be - simply wrong.

Don't be literal after presenting a figurative example. That's just silly behaviour.
If you act like a type of something that bears a striking resemblance to other types, you can be easily confused with the other types.
If you base your arguments on a racist ideology, then you must be racist to hold that belief.

 

[jasonzyx]

No, baboons, rodents, deer, macaws, ostriches also bark.

Do they bark like a dog?

If you bark like a dog, you are probably a dog.