Why is there no plan?

[securespark]

They need to get their **** in gear I know they do..... but you know what's going to happen....don't you.... once they do open the door you Notch and the others will harp on about letting the draw bridge down to the middle east and Africa.

Get over Brexit otherwise you will dye an unhappy man.

I tell you what, I'd be an unhappy man if someone came along and dyed me.
No one said anything about letting a drawbridge down. It's all about showing compassion to the Ukraine people.
I didn't mention Brexit in that post.
BTW, I see you didn't make any comment about greedy heartless Cons, so I take it at least that we can agree on that?
And finally, I never will harp on about the drawbridge.

 

[Deleted member 294929]

I tell you what, I'd be an unhappy man if someone came along and dyed me.
No one said anything about letting a drawbridge down. It's all about showing compassion to the Ukraine people.
I didn't mention Brexit in that post.
BTW, I see you didn't make any comment about greedy heartless Cons, so I take it at least that we can agree on that?
And finally, I never will harp on about the drawbridge.

You can't take the **** out of me and my spelling then go on about nasty heartless Torys Bad spellers lives matter. (closest I could find to bending the knee)

I hate greedy heartless people. I'm a very compassionate person myself. The Torys need to do something soon and they will I'm sure.
When they do you know what will happen..... its only be because Hungarians are white.
It is time for other country's like Poland and Hungary to step upto the mark.. (I think they have all been brilliant and their people) It's something we would do if Ireland were invaded.

 

[ellal]

You have about as much intention of doing that as you had when you said you were leaving the UK. Just an opportunity to knock the government and big up Europe.

Same old, same old...

You still don't get the concept that situations can change beyond your control can you

You can think what you like about our intentions, but do tell us...

Would you take any Ukranians in?

Or would you carry on being the same old self-centred person as appears usual?

 

[motorbiking]

There are several problems facing fleeing refugees from Ukraine.

1. Its a big country and there are still plenty of safe places, it may be better to move location within the country.
2. Russia is mandating refugees go to Russia or Belarus, sounds more like POWs.
3. Russian troops seem to enjoy bombing and shelling those fleeing.

All sorts of things going on, funded and organised by our government.
- weapons, aid, political pressure. I don't see Ukraine complaining about our lack of contribution other than the enforcement of a no fly, which is a NATO issue.

 

[Notch7]

There are several problems facing fleeing refugees from Ukraine.

1. Its a big country and there are still plenty of safe places, it may be better to move location within the country.
2. Russia is mandating refugees go to Russia or Belarus, sounds more like POWs.
3. Russian troops seem to enjoy bombing and shelling those fleeing.

All sorts of things going on, funded and organised by our government.
- weapons, aid, political pressure. I don't see Ukraine complaining about our lack of contribution other than the enforcement of a no fly, which is a NATO issue.

Im sorry but that’s displaying your political tribalism - let’s be clear: this govt got voted in for its hatred of foreigners: which is why Priti Patel, a nasty Home Secretary keeps expanding its toxic policies.

 

[motorbiking]

How would you get them out safely and in to the UK, assuming they want to come here?

 

[ellal]

Imagine if, 50 years from now, our children and grandchildren need to flee the UK. You'd like to think other countries would let them in, quickly, no?

Yeah, which countries would want a bunch of isolationists and xenophobes turning up on their doorsteps?

Especially from a country that repeatedly shows it is not willing to take it's fair share of people in need, and even then the paltry amount are only allowed in after massive pressure on the government!

 

[Mottie]

Same old, same old...

You still don't get the concept that situations can change beyond your control can you

Yes, same old same old from you too.

Yes, I do get the concept that situations can change. Your first 'situation change', or excuse for not doing what you said you would, was because of covid and being being unable to travel. After that it was waiting for brilliant son 3 to take his exams (when the rest of the students in the UK weren't taking them). It then transpired that he had turned down a guaranteed place at Oxford and had already taken a place in a university abroad. That was last year. So what's the 'situation change' now?

You seem all too easily and all too conveniently affronted when your statements are challenged and hide behind the 'personal information/none of your business/creepy stalker' banner. If that's the case, just STFU about what you are going to do and nobody will question you. Just do it and don't bulls hit everyone about what you are going to to because 52% of the 'idiot' voting population and the 'nasty Tories' have ruined the country for you.

As others have said, if you're all set to house a Ukrainian family, why haven't you housed an African family that have fled persecution or even a homeless British person?

 

[ellal]

How would you get them out safely and in to the UK, assuming they want to come here?

Once out of the Ukraine, there are such things as different trains that can get all the way to the UK...

A forward thinking government might then work out a reasonable amount to take, and establish mini consulates in the relevant areas...

A slimmed down paper work process, as to even the most stupid civil servant it would be pretty damned obvious where they have come from!

That relieves the pressure on calais, and they must get a system in place for those willing to help out as soon as possible!

But then we don't get forward thinking governments nowadays do we

 

[AngleEyes]

I don't normally bother posting youtube vids, and I haven't checked out the validity of the claims made in this vid'.
But it sounds about right.

The bit about claiming asylum in UK is certainly accurate.

 

[AngleEyes]

We have been slow and we need to do more. BUT it would help if the left leaning crustys stop encouraging/protecting economic migrants

Economic migrants migrate to work. You said yourself:

"And we as a nation need good people."​

and the deportation of foreign criminals and fake asylum seekers....

If the government systems are failing that's nothing to do with 'left-leaning crustys'(sic).
But all are entitled to legal representation, which the government and other right-whingers would happily deny them.

What ever your view is, we must all agree there is an upper limit to how many desperate people we can take.

There can be no upper limit to rescuing desperate people. It's not like a boat, where a boat has a limit of how many people it can carry. UK has vast amounts of space available.

The fake and criminal migrants take up places good people need.

It's up to the government system to identify any of those that are considered fake or criminal. You shouldn't prevent all on the off -chance some might be fake or criminal. It would be like saying all catholic priests are paedophiles, so there should be no Catholic priests.

And we as a nation need good people.

So how about we send away all the racists, spongers, criminals, etc?

 

[Notch7]

How would you get them out safely and in to the UK, assuming they want to come here?

you dont

you deal with the ones leaving already through Poland etc, who want to come to the UK

what you dont do, is tell them to go to Warsaw, where the office isnt even open at the weekend and only has one person dealing with Ukrainian visas

what the home office do is make the system as difficult as it can be, to prevent people getting through the system....thats what people voted for: "control of our borders" (what it really means is: lets blame foreigners for Tory austerity and neo liberalism)


I see the government lies were out in force yesterday: from both Johnson and Patel

 

[ellal]

But it sounds about right.

Yep...

Of course the brexiteers and xenophobes can't/don't want to understand it!

 

[Notch7]

I don't normally bother posting youtube vids, and I haven't checked out the validity of the claims made in this vid'.
But it sounds about right.

The bit about claiming asylum in UK is certainly accurate.

Phil Moorhouse is a physics teacher who has an interest in politics -his youtube vids are well researched and pretty factual, with a left wing bias (which he freely admits)

 

[AngleEyes]

What am I lying about??? Don't show your self up and deny there are no fake asylum seekers or foreign criminals. Or that you can't tell the difference between The good the bad and the fake. Tell me what I'm lying about....

There are numerous paedophile Catholic priests, but we don't stop people becoming Catholic priests. Of course there numerous paedophile Catholic priests, and potential paedophiles may be attracted to the profession (and other professions that allow unrestricted access to vulnerable young people and children). All you can do is to use the correct process of identifying the potential paedophiles, (and criminalise the current ones). Similarly, with potential fake or criminal migrants: use the system to identify them, and not assume that they are all potential fakes or criminals.

Remember the recent discussion about assuming all irons supporters are racist, (or whatever the characterisation was)?