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It's not a good idea to have a heart attack in some parts of the country. This looks rather different to the graph posted.
Covid deaths need moving up by the ~10,000 per week I mentioned so excess looks like 2,500 or so. Bear in mind that some CV19 wont be reported.
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What do you mean by Covid deaths? People killed by Covid, People who died with Covid or people who died because of the impact of Covid? Or something else 
What do you mean by Covid deaths? People killed by Covid, People who died with Covid or people who died because of the impact of Covid? Or something else
Doh Double posted again some how. One contains an image the other a link - no idea which is which.
so will leave as the ONS link might go.The red line is put down to covid by the ONS. That's what it says on the death certificates including those from hospital. So all sources including from GP's The other line shows all death for any reason and the 5 year mean. The CV19 runs off zero. The any reason line runs off fact / the 5 year mean. So excess can only be determines by moving the CV19 line up to the mean. I've said it then looks like circa 2,500. Doesn't matter really because the effects of treatment and lock downs has depressed the CV19 curve.If that hadn't been done deaths would be a lot lot higher say 500k but there are good reasons to suggest it could be a lot higher. So using those numbers 2,500 may have suffered to save 1/2million people.
I'm happy to view it like that as I calculated my average normal death rate at 10,000 per week from raw data on the ONS site. It came a bit short of that so rounded it. Figures went up and down anyway.
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OK so I think you are saying 2,500 per week extra deaths due to impact of Covid - i.e. didn't have it but died because of all the issues caused by it on the "system".
Not exactly the 2,500 is the difference in the peak value.
In need of a life I moved cv19 deaths to where it should be to show the differenceNot easy to find info on things like heart attacks. One source reckons 60,000 PA so about 1200 per week. Of those 28,000 / 550 per week are treated by an ambulance and 13 to 17% get to hospital ~83 per week. Survival to discharge is 2 to 12%. Report from a survey in 2011 but there are still recent calls for an improvement. It doesn't match what other countries achieve and the "service" provided varies.
Strokes. I know a few people who have had those. 2 found they couldn't move an arm 1 leg affected as well and 2 more like the stroke adverts on TV. No recent hard figures but reckoned to be over 100,000 per year with 38,000 deaths. Some will be terminal as soon as they happen.
Both like CV19 are heavily age dependent and to be honest I would be surprised if anyone had a stroke and didn't get themselves into hospital because recovery chances are very high for a lot of them but people are often left with some form of disability. It can be minor to serious.
Strokes. I know a few people who have had those. 2 found they couldn't move an arm 1 leg affected as well and 2 more like the stroke adverts on TV. No recent hard figures but reckoned to be over 100,000 per year with 38,000 deaths. Some will be terminal as soon as they happen.
Both like CV19 are heavily age dependent and to be honest I would be surprised if anyone had a stroke and didn't get themselves into hospital because recovery chances are very high for a lot of them but people are often left with some form of disability. It can be minor to serious.
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sources:
(heart attack). - British Heart Foundationwww.bhf.org.uk › files › bhf-cvd-statistics-uk-factsheet
https://www.cancerresearchuk.org/health-professional/cancer-statistics-for-the-uk
https://www.nice.org.uk/Media/Defau...ctice/measuring-uptake/NICE-Impact-stroke.pdf
With Heart attack and stroke - every minute counts. Cancer will take a while for the impact to show up.
But when I look at the graph, I see Average Weekly Deaths in April of previous years at about 10,000
And Weekly deaths in April 2020 hitting about 22,000
That's an increase in weekly deaths of around 12,000
More than double.
In my area the undertakers' phones are permanently engaged, and the crematoria are running flat out but there is a backlog.
Yes but the 22000 includes cv19 deaths.
Presumably some time in the future there will be fewer deaths than the same time the previous year.
It's rather a pointless number as this time last year there wasn't an epidemic and the flu season was over.
What are the figures from, say, October until now?
It's rather a pointless number as this time last year there wasn't an epidemic and the flu season was over.
What are the figures from, say, October until now?
yes, the total deaths per week, during the CV19 crisis, went up by about 12,000
Some people think that the increase is not due to CV19.
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Jeez - it would be awful if that wasn't the case.
693 - today - All in, We need to wait until tomorrow before our new data sets are compatible as we are now widening the data set.
693 - today - All in, We need to wait until tomorrow before our new data sets are compatible as we are now widening the data set.
Yes, but also before that as old people have died sooner than they would have.
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