EICR - Unsatisfactory on new build

I skip read that tbh.

I'd test every socket on an EICR for ZS measurements and that would take almost a minute each so 22 minutes just for them alone especially if it involved moving a few bits of furniture!
The R1+R2 on the lighting circuits would take sometime to determine the last light too the cooker circuit wouldn't take very long from the wall outlet?
 
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£100 for the EICR. The property is based south east, just outskirts of M25 London.
 
£100 for the EICR. The property is based south east, just outskirts of M25 London.

£100 for 90 minutes on site might just the tests done properly ................

An EICR is Inspection and Test - so a reasonable amount of time looking before any tests are done .......... but that's how I do it
 
Isolator (where present) is recommended for improvement. C3
Confirmation of indication that SPD is functional (651.4) is recommended for improvement. C3
There is no SPD (surge protection device). It wasn't required when that consumer unit was installed.
Unknown what the problem with the isolator is, but as it's C3 it's not dangerous.

For all socket-outlets of rating 32A or less, unless an exception is permitted (411.3.3) is in a potentially dangerous condition. Urgent remedial action is required. C2
For the supply of mobile equipment not exceeding 32A rating for use outdoors (411.3.3) is in a potentially dangerous condition. Urgent remedial action is required. C2
Socket outlets require RCD protection. Yours have that, although the type of RCD is no longer permitted. It was when installed.

For cables concealed in walls at a depth of less than 50mm (522.6.202; 522.6.203) is in a potentially dangerous condition. Urgent remedial action is required.C2
For cables concealed in walls/partitions containing metal parts regardless of depth (522.6.203) is in a potentially dangerous condition. Urgent remedial action is required. C2
Cables in walls need RCD protection. As with everything else, not required when installed, but is now.

It's an older installation that doesn't comply with things introduced after it was installed.
The consumer unit is much older than 12 years. Starbreaker units 17 years ago in 2006 looked like this:

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He said due to Glenfell Tower, these regulations apply from 2020 a
Lies.

. Just to add the EICR was done in 30 mins
Best case they rushed through various tests and inspected nothing.
Worst it's all a made up pack of lies.
Inspection is the most important part of an EICR - test results won't identify most problems.

The poor wording is due to them using some piece of software which has canned answers to certain things, the intent being that they use those as a start and then add/amend as required to describe the particular problem. In this case they have just used the text as it is with no effort given to any further information.

Cost of replacement including VAT, Labour and materials: £550.
Whether that's reasonable depends massively on what they are intending to replace it with.

If it's a junkbox affair from one of the DIY sheds with dual RCDs and an SPD thrown in for £100, then it's grossly overpriced. it would also be a complete waste of time and money to install such a thing.

However for a decent worthwhile replacement with RCBOs for the lighting & cooker, and AFDDs for the socket outlets, then the consumer unit alone would be around £400, so you would expect to pay rather more than £550 in total, particularly as the existing one appears to be a flush mounted item.
 
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AFDDs are a response to an American problem, 30k housefires a year caused by high-current radials in wooden buildings, and what we would call substandard wiring - lots of wire nuts, for example.

A feature of RFCs is they don't arc if there's a single break, a safety factor that AFDD makers want us to abandon, just so the AFDD can detect an arc if a break happens. In other words, increase the chances of a dangerous fault just so an AFDD can detect it.

Sparks are supposed to recommend AFDDs and note if the customer declines.
How is the customer meant to make that technical judgement?
 
Don’t bother with AFDDs - a total waste of money
That may be your opinion, but AFDDs are required for socket outlets in some types of building and are recommended for socket outlet circuits everywhere else.
In the near future, it's inevitable that they will be required in most or all buildings.
 
That may be your opinion, but AFDDs are required for socket outlets in some types of building and are recommended for socket outlet circuits everywhere else.
In the near future, it's inevitable that they will be required in most or all buildings.

it IS my considered and professional opinion. Yes there are some applications where they are recommended BUT for the majority of installations they are simply not required

also as many manufacturers and sparks are still installing dual RCD boards- you can’t add them

the people that come up with the changes to the regs are living in la la land - talk about out of touch with reality
 
That may be your opinion, but AFDDs are required for socket outlets in some types of building and are recommended for socket outlet circuits everywhere else.
In the near future, it's inevitable that they will be required in most or all buildings.
Unfortunately, you may well be right.

I was having a discussion recently with a few guys and we were trying to predict what will be the next sort of 'device' which appears, becomes 'recommended' and then 'required', but throughout that process probably representing a solution looking for a problem to solve (other than the self-perceived 'poverty' of device manufacturers and sellers) !

Kind Regards, John
 
also as many manufacturers and sparks are still installing dual RCD boards- you can’t add them
That's the problem.
OP has some dual RCD affair installed next week.
Then in a couple of years, AFDDs become mandatory for rented properties and they have to have yet another new consumer unit installed.

Or pay the extra £100-£150 now for 2x AFDDs instead of 2x RCBOs and avoid that.
At the very least, installing a decent brand all RCBO unit today would allow for those to be changed to AFDDs in the future.

Anyone still shoving in dual RCD consumer units today is just storing up expensive problems for the very near future.


Yes there are some applications where they are recommended
There are applications today where they are required. No choice about it.
They are recommended for socket outlets everywhere else.

This is only one step away from required everywhere.
 
That's the problem.
OP has some dual RCD affair installed next week.
Then in a couple of years, AFDDs become mandatory for rented properties and they have to have yet another new consumer unit installed.

Or pay the extra £100-£150 now for 2x AFDDs instead of 2x RCBOs and avoid that.
At the very least, installing a decent brand all RCBO unit today would allow for those to be changed to AFDDs in the future.

Anyone still shoving in dual RCD consumer units today is just storing up expensive problems for the very near future.



There are applications today where they are required. No choice about it.
They are recommended for socket outlets everywhere else.

This is only one step away from required everywhere.

one step away from even more installations not meeting the regs more like

the only customer I’ve quoted for a AFDD option was an HMO landlord . She was shocked with the price. I have no idea what she did next but it didn’t involve me

my annual assessment this year included a new board - AFFDs we’re not even discussed

its all a shocking mess and thankfully retirement is next year , so I don’t really care anymore about the regs

what I do care about is crooked trades people ripping off unsuspecting customers
 

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