Farage on Knowsley

[Odds]

I wasn't referring to idlib I was referring to the situation in hand where we have people in the main who are of fighting age, some from war torn countries and others who are not, who are economic migrants exploiting the situation.

Well, i gave Idlib as an example, but you can pick any one of a number of places across the region. Can you blame them for getting the hell outta there? And the UK doesn't take half as many refugees as Europe. Protesting outside hotels won't make the asylum process any quicker - and if a girl was propositioned on the street, then maybe we should look at how western women act in regard to middle-eastern perceptions of them.

 

[gant]

and if a girl was propositioned on the street, then maybe we should look at how western women act in regard to middle-eastern perceptions of them.

Not sure what your saying there.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Boy detained for murder of Ian Kirwan who told teen off at supermarket

The 15-year-old murdered Ian Kirwan by stabbing him in the heart at the Redditch Asda store.

www.bbc.co.uk

Immigrants, or just criminals ?

Much worse, much much worse, but not highlighted by the same people . Surprised ? Not

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Utter garbage.

What credibility you had disappeared with "Calpolgate".

Yes, "illegal", but the problem is that the vast majority of immigrants are legal. Or would you care to (re)define "legal"

Anyone with any common sense, decency and morality can see that the boat immigrants and their ilk are nothing more than con-merchants taking advantage of our weakness as a liberal country. You ask about "legal": there is nothing legal in what is going on, some of the biggest crooks in all of this are the "legal profession". It is they who are facilitating all this; it is they who are re-defining "legal".

Don't talk rubbish. A % of them yes re the migration aspect, but certainly not when it comes to other crimes. It's simply not a logical stance. And of course numbers play a part, that's partly what I'm referring to. If there are 1000 crimes committed by UK born white men and 5 crimes by immigrants, if you remove all the immigrants all you've solved is a reduction in crime by 5.

Zzzzzzzzzzz....already addressed.

For your "logical explanation" to mean anything at all there would have to be greater than 1000/5x the number of crimes committed by "UK born white men" than by immigrants divided by the number of "UK born white men" / immigrants in a given time period. Even then, it wouldn't be sufficient justification for illegal immigrants (remember, they are illegal at the outset with so your logical explanation is a non-starter) to be here because there are so many other reasons why they shouldn't be here other than their criminality.

So, over to you for the proportional "white men vs immigrants" crime figures. (Good luck; this is the hill that PatEx/ Bobby Dazzler/ JasonXYX/ Carmenmemoranda and Ban All Sheds all died on).

 

[Notch7]

All illegal immigrants are criminals. The clue is in the name

People arriving here by boat to claim asylum are not illegal and thus not criminals

thats just a fact

 

[Notch7]

(remember, they are illegal at the outset

They are not


there is nothing illegal about crossing a border to claim asylum

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Zzzzzzzzzzz....already addressed.

For your "logical explanation" to mean anything at all there would have to be greater than 1000/5x the number of crimes committed by "UK born white men" than by immigrants divided by the number of "UK born white men" / immigrants in a given time period. Even then, it wouldn't be sufficient justification for illegal immigrants (remember, they are illegal at the outset with so your logical explanation is a non-starter) to be here because there are so many other reasons why they shouldn't be here other than their criminality.

So, over to you for the proportional "white men vs immigrants" crime figures. (Good luck; this is the hill that PatEx/ Bobby Dazzler/ JasonXYX/ Carmenmemoranda and Ban All Sheds all died on).

In this thread, this'll be my last comment to you on this cause we're never going to agree and it becomes a cyclical bore. I'm not trying to justify anything when it comes to people entering the country that possibly shouldn't be here. My point is simply that I can't be bothered with the rhetoric that asserts removal of these people would result in any sort of significant change with things like crime numbers, NHS waiting times etc. Yes of course, logically, these things and more would improve slightly if a small number of people (from the whole population) were no longer living here. However anyone who thinks they would improve significantly is misinformed at best.

And if you'd care to review my earlier post, I already addressed the part about some of them being illegal in the migration sense. I separated that from the carrying out of other illegal activity.

Summary: I'm not saying all these people should be here. I'm not saying I agree with the current small boat situation. What I am saying is targeting these people as being a significant contributor to the UK's ills is not logical ... it does however give politicians an easy out for their incompetence.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So, over to you for the proportional "white men vs immigrants" crime figures. (Good luck; this is the hill that PatEx/ Bobby Dazzler/ JasonXYX/ Carmenmemoranda and Ban All Sheds all died on).

I know you seem to live in a different world to most of us.

But you have never yet had any credible argument that has defeated anybody.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

What about some proportional poor people crimes vs. rich people criminality figures, @andy11? Poverty in conjunction with unemployment has been proven time and again to be a major driver of crime. And which group is more likely to be near destitute in this country?

 

[Notch7]

What about some proportional poor people crimes vs. rich people criminality figures, @andy11? Poverty in conjunction with unemployment has been proven time and again to be a major driver of crime. And which group is more likely to be near destitute in this country?

it has always been a common trope to link crime to race, the reality is crime is related directly to poverty

Andy falls for the rhetoric of right wing populists like Trump, Farage, Johnson.

 

[transam]

The french have and are having a clear out

I suppose there is some logic to there policy ?

 

[mitch66]

if a girl was propositioned on the street, then maybe we should look at how western women act in regard to middle-eastern perceptions of them.

Just shown your true colours.Dirtbag.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

Poverty in conjunction with unemployment has been proven time and again to be a major driver of crime. And which group is more likely to be near destitute in this country?

crime to race, the reality is crime is related directly to poverty

Crime, you pair of communist buffoons, is directly rated to immorality and not necessarily to poverty.

 

[gant]

There all out tonight Andy.

 

[conny]

....and if a girl was propositioned on the street, then maybe we should look at how western women act in regard to middle-eastern perceptions of them.

Are you saying western girls/women should dress and act according to the views/laws of middle -eastern countries so we don't offend people from these regions?

Would you go to a holiday resort, knowing they had nudist beaches/areas, and then expect them to cover up because nudity offended you?