I like this forum. A bit of vigorous debate is healthy.
My take is that both parties have become vague middle-ground mush and don't really stand for anything. You could agree or disagree with Thatcher, Kinnock or Corbyn, but at least they stood for something, had some aims for what they wanted to create and some plans for how to get there.
Sunak's our PM and I still don't have a clue what he wants to turn this nation into, he just seems to be a caretaker who somehow has an image as a safe pair of hands despite almost bankrupting the country with brainless giveaways during covid. But I also don't see Starmer presenting any alternative plan for a great and glorious future.
The current red and blue mobs are 90% identical. They want people to get into the sort of debate seen in this thread, e.g. red lot are great, blue lot are terrible or vice versa. This all serves them both, however terrible they are one or the other gets in then the others get a go a bit later after they inevitably trash the country again. No doubt they all chuckle about the peasants when they get together at the WEF conferences to hear the orders from their puppetmasters.
I care only partially about Reform's policies - it's chiefly going to be a protest vote, which is probably what a good chunk of the Leave vote was. But, having briefly looked at some of their ideas, they seem pretty sensible. E.g. abolish the house of lords, proportional representation (to hopefully permanently get us away from this two-party stitch-up), reform the BBC, actually take action against illegal immigration (and no, before the woke brigade dive in, being concerned about this doesn't make me an anything-ist). There are also things I disagree with, but this is how democracy works, hopefully nobody's actually brainwashed into believing in every aspect of the party they're voting for.
Reform's performance in the next GE may be as much of a shock as the outcome of the referendum. That should have given the establishment the kick it needed, but they've chosen to ignore it so the electorate will disobey the elite again. One possible outcome is that they'll split the Tory vote so Labour gets in. But it appears that many traditional Labour voters are also switching to them, so this isn't inevitable. We could end up with a hung parliament with Reform as a king-maker, which would put them in a very powerful position.
My take is that both parties have become vague middle-ground mush and don't really stand for anything. You could agree or disagree with Thatcher, Kinnock or Corbyn, but at least they stood for something, had some aims for what they wanted to create and some plans for how to get there.
Sunak's our PM and I still don't have a clue what he wants to turn this nation into, he just seems to be a caretaker who somehow has an image as a safe pair of hands despite almost bankrupting the country with brainless giveaways during covid. But I also don't see Starmer presenting any alternative plan for a great and glorious future.
The current red and blue mobs are 90% identical. They want people to get into the sort of debate seen in this thread, e.g. red lot are great, blue lot are terrible or vice versa. This all serves them both, however terrible they are one or the other gets in then the others get a go a bit later after they inevitably trash the country again. No doubt they all chuckle about the peasants when they get together at the WEF conferences to hear the orders from their puppetmasters.
I care only partially about Reform's policies - it's chiefly going to be a protest vote, which is probably what a good chunk of the Leave vote was. But, having briefly looked at some of their ideas, they seem pretty sensible. E.g. abolish the house of lords, proportional representation (to hopefully permanently get us away from this two-party stitch-up), reform the BBC, actually take action against illegal immigration (and no, before the woke brigade dive in, being concerned about this doesn't make me an anything-ist). There are also things I disagree with, but this is how democracy works, hopefully nobody's actually brainwashed into believing in every aspect of the party they're voting for.
Reform's performance in the next GE may be as much of a shock as the outcome of the referendum. That should have given the establishment the kick it needed, but they've chosen to ignore it so the electorate will disobey the elite again. One possible outcome is that they'll split the Tory vote so Labour gets in. But it appears that many traditional Labour voters are also switching to them, so this isn't inevitable. We could end up with a hung parliament with Reform as a king-maker, which would put them in a very powerful position.
