Immigration and the tories

[Thermo]

pot to kettle

 

[pipme]

 

[kendor]

kendor you say you are finding your mortgage easier now.

was strugggling to meet the mortgage under the previous government of the tories.

Would you not put this down to your wages increasing in line with inflation plus maybe promotion, whilst your mortgage as remained almost the same?

yes i was struggling with the umpteen rises under the tory government.
yes i have had rises as everyone but the bills also rise so it evens out but i must admit under labour it's been a lot easier to pay and i've even been able to up the mortgage so well done Gordon Brown for keeping the economy so stable, god help us if the tories get back in and we go back to all that uncertainty.

 

[kendor]

kendor,
yes it was your bit about the nhs, wondered wht you based it on

I'm old enough to have seen the changes brought by the previous tory government and how they dismantled it.
Ask the miners and the print and the people who worked for thames television and all those people that had their homes reposessed amongst others what maggie did for them i'm sure they would enlighten you

 

[AdamW]

Ask the miners and the print and the people who worked for thames television and all those people that had their homes reposessed amongst others what maggie did for them i'm sure they would enlighten you

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (what percentage of the country's population worked in coal mines, printing etc?). It had got to the workhouse stage with coal, it really wasn't economical but it was kept going to provide jobs. Why not retrain those miners in something profitable, that won't involve them clambering about in damp carcinogenic conditions? Just for the record, I come from a mining family, my grandfather was down the Silksworth pits, his father was a miner etc.

As it happens, I would be doing pretty nicely out of Maggie's government right about now.

 

[kendor]

Ask the miners and the print and the people who worked for thames television and all those people that had their homes reposessed amongst others what maggie did for them i'm sure they would enlighten you

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few (what percentage of the country's population worked in coal mines, printing etc?). It had got to the workhouse stage with coal, it really wasn't economical but it was kept going to provide jobs. Why not retrain those miners in something profitable, that won't involve them clambering about in damp carcinogenic conditions? Just for the record, I come from a mining family, my grandfather was down the Silksworth pits, his father was a miner etc.

As it happens, I would be doing pretty nicely out of Maggie's government right about now.

So that explains why yourself and others would even consider voting for the tories the "i'm all right Jack" mentality only thinking of yourself instead of what's good for the country as a whole.

 

[pipme]

Wonder how many 'funny handshakers' are on here

 

[david and julie]

kendor said.

So that explains why yourself and others would even consider voting for the tories the "i'm all right Jack" mentality only thinking of yourself instead of what's good for the country as a whole.

I am curoius what this highlighted comment means. This is the current balance of trade deficit.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=194

This is a report for PFI/PPP from 2001( the latest I found)

http://www.privatefinance-i.com/rep...p?chn=0,0,0,0&sref=0725006860354271541&id=829

I don't want bog you down but look at this part.

PFI Contracts awarded already account for approximately £8 billion a year, and the indications are that this amount is set to rise over the life of the new Parliament. The commitment to improve public services will require increased resources to be devoted to PFI. The situation is not, however, without controversy and the role of PFI suppliers in the fields of health care and education is likely to be increasingly challenged.

I believe the situation is now much worse.

PFI/PPP costs are not considered public debt because they are private sector debt. Even though most last 25 years. They are also not in any public finance debt figures either. It is similar to saying your mortgage is not a debt really. Even though you have to pay it.

These 2 figures are obviously nearly the same.

Much of this hidden cost as been spent (by the private sector) on the hospitals the Gov is taking credit for.

What say you kendor? are we better off under labour or what?

 

[kendor]

kendor said.

So that explains why yourself and others would even consider voting for the tories the "i'm all right Jack" mentality only thinking of yourself instead of what's good for the country as a whole.

I am curoius what this highlighted comment means. This is the current balance of trade deficit.

http://www.statistics.gov.uk/cci/nugget.asp?id=194

This is a report for PFI/PPP from 2001( the latest I found)

http://www.privatefinance-i.com/rep...p?chn=0,0,0,0&sref=0725006860354271541&id=829

I don't want bog you down but look at this part.

PFI Contracts awarded already account for approximately £8 billion a year, and the indications are that this amount is set to rise over the life of the new Parliament. The commitment to improve public services will require increased resources to be devoted to PFI. The situation is not, however, without controversy and the role of PFI suppliers in the fields of health care and education is likely to be increasingly challenged.

I believe the situation is now much worse.

PFI/PPP costs are not considered public debt because they are private sector debt. Even though most last 25 years. They are also not in any public finance debt figures either. It is similar to saying your mortgage is not a debt really. Even though you have to pay it.

These 2 figures are obviously nearly the same.

Much of this hidden cost as been spent (by the private sector) on the hospitals the Gov is taking credit for.

What say you kendor? are we better off under labour or what?

again you are going off of a tangent of what i said, if you want me to put it another way so that you may understand, i mean people like the tories who are only interested in lining their pockets and couldn't care less that the welfare of others less fortunate or not in the tory party eyes "one of ours" you will never sway me to vote for the tory scumbags so don't bother trying i've seen what they can and have done in the past and i for one hope we never ever go back to having them in power again.
Maybe in your case you are too young to have seen how they changed things for the worse you need to experience that for yourself to see why i detest them so much.

 

[Thermo]

Kendor,
the public services in britain have got worse. there are more people filling forms, doing statistics and accounts rather than providing the service then ever there were under the tories. I have seen the changes first hand so i think i have an idea what im talking about.

Since you changed the subject to answer my question (your really mr blair in disguise arent you) ill answer a few of the points you raised:

the miners: sad as it was the industry has become uneconmic due to cheaper coal from elsewhere across the globe. What do we do, keep pouring public money into it so other services go short?

the printers and thames tv: Both private companies that took their own finacial decisions on how to streamline their business. The states involvement was to do with the behaviour of the unions and the unpeaceful pickets involved (costing more government funds)

mortgage rises: Caused by the need to keep parity with the key currencies in the EMU at the time as we were commited to this in europe. WHen the rises became unmanagable what did the government of the time do? they took us out of it and immediatley bought intrest rates down further and further. That happened in 1991. they were voted back in in 1992 and by the time they left office we had had economic stability for some 5 years.

Its easy to look back 8 years or the cases you cite nearly 20 years and criticise and in some cases its warranted, but i prefer to base my decisions on how i vote on the state of the country now and how i believe it is going and where we are headed. I know where my vote lies.

Thermo

 

[david and julie]

I'm 52 , and I can remember Maggie and didn't vote for her or her cronies.I was also made redundant at the time from the gas board and also had a mortgage. I have also never, nor would, vote BNP/NF either. Furthermore I also didn't agree with the Tories flogging public assets too cheaply.

I am not trying to sway your political point of view either. I suspect the motives of all politicians( any colour) and think they are all in it for themselves and have said this before.

What I am trying to do is be sensible and think about our country and its future. Like you really, but from a less emotive stance. I don't support your view on the economy and have raised a couple of points for you to consider thats all. Same with immigration, I have no trouble with foreigners and indeed have some as friends. What I don't want is an endless stream coming here without proper regard for the real effects on us. Your confusing the issue by causing me Nazi/Racist/NF/BNP and you are wrong.

Don't you realise governments of any colour want these people here to keep working class wages down?

If you were concerned about your country and your fellow man these debts I have shown would also concern you. Your are not a stupid man kendor use your judgement and intelligence for yourself these politicians are selling us short, question it don't be blinkered and just except it.

 

[jasy]

I am not here to sway anyones political persuasion either but it phases me when someone( MUPPET ) is hellbent on letting us all know how wrong we are and that we are having an 'Alright jack' attitude. I have fought for my country, yes Kendor, fought, something you know little about and it seems to me that you would rather have us a communist style state than a safe and prosporous country.

 

[AdamW]

As it happens, I would be doing pretty nicely out of Maggie's government right about now.

So that explains why yourself and others would even consider voting for the tories the "i'm all right Jack" mentality only thinking of yourself instead of what's good for the country as a whole.

Hmmm, totally neglected the post as a whole there, but the fact is, voting is not a selfless act. Anyone who makes a choice about who they vote for, is voting because they think that this particular party is best for THEIR interests. You may disagree, but however selfless you think you are being, you will think that you know better than anyone voting elsewhere. However any voter will think that, and is in reality just chasing their desire and looking out for themselves. Simply by voting, you are being not necessarily selfish, but certainly looking after your own interests.

You voted for Labour I take it. Well, cheers Kendor, d'ya want to help me with the £20K it cost me to earn my degree? I'm only about £15K in student debt now, I don't mind paying my way so howsabout we split it 50:50? God, the sheer nerve of me eh? Seeking an education? How do I get to sleep at night.

You're alright Jack, but what about me?

 

[jasy]

come on muppet. in a communist state we all help everybody. help poor old adam. by the way adam u ok?

 

[AdamW]

Waaaaaaaaaah! *sniff*

Ever wondered what the world would have been like if everyone had gone for communism post WW2? Would the Cold War have happened? Does communism work when the whole world works that way?