Is he Right?? Tory That Blames Foodbanks Use on Those that "Can't Cook, Budget"

Look JP_,

I see myself as sympathetic toward people in poverty, my wife in a previous role managed a Surestart Children's Centre, 3 in fact. A small part of her role involved food vouchers, I won't divulge too much but she was shocked and saddened by some of the abuses of the system.

All I will say is that if somebody is receiving unemployment benefit which entails, free rent, free council tax, an income that covers food and clothing for their children. If they can't afford to heat free food, something is seriously wrong, not with the Govt payments, but with what the recipients are spending their money on.

My wife saw many people turning up to claim food vouchers wearing designer clothes and £100+ trainers, she saw one or two and thought 'I know you, your dad owns 'whatever' business, he's quite wealthy'. It's free money and frees up your 'income' to spend more on the finer things in life.

She also saw the genuinely needy and on a few occasions was reduced to tears by the humility of people who were overwhelmed at receiving 'charity', I've told the story of that on this forum before so I won't repeat it.

There are far too many homeless people on the streets in this country, ex service men with mental health issues, addicts, former addicts, these people need help, real help. But people who are living rent free, council tax free, free food, but want extra money to warm the food up? **** off. It would be a kindness to let the feckless bastards perish, it might harm the 'industry' that's growing up around these people though.

Did I just describe a charity as an industry? oops.
 
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From what i can tell regarding the latest brainfart from a Tory they've either drank too much Kool-Aid at one of their endless parties or they've simply embraced the insanity and decided to simply say what they've always been thinking.
They have an 80+ majority, so what could possibly go wrong?
 
gone said:
My wife saw many people turning up to claim food vouchers wearing designer clothes and £100+ trainers, she saw one or two and thought 'I know you, your dad owns 'whatever' business, he's quite wealthy'. It's free money and frees up your 'income' to spend more on the finer things in life.

She also saw the genuinely needy and on a few occasions was reduced to tears by the humility of people who were overwhelmed at receiving 'charity', I've told the story of that on this forum before so I won't repeat it.
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Who gets to decide who gets what? A system that identifies real need individually would need more people to administrate it than it would be processing. I've seen with my own eyes folk turning up at the foodbank in 3yr old Range Rovers . . . . Maybe they're missing the 3x salary payments since redundancy?

I would much rather the system gives out to the freeloaders than it miss just 1 child with an empty belly.
 
gone said:
...It would be a kindness to let the feckless bastards perish, it might harm the 'industry' that's growing up around these people though.

Did I just describe a charity as an industry? oops.
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Maybe so much charity wouldn't need to be distributed if the Tories knew how to organise a ****-up...oh wait, they do.:p
 
gone said:
NW6, move to the right, Maida Vale, St Johns Wood etc, that's NW10.
Also, just a tip, if you want to claim an area of London is not Kilburn, don't post up a map labelling the area Kilburn, it just makes you look stupid. Fact.
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I thought that area of the Smoke was called Queen's Park, no?
 
securespark said:
I thought that area of the Smoke was called Queen's Park, no?
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Queens park was the station we used to get off at having arrived at kingscross i think it was
the QP train station was just around the corner and aunts house was about half way up and we often went to the shops past a school on a big main road at the bottom of it and I vidly recall reading NW10 at the corner of the highstreet/school - at aunts back garden if we stood on a table and looked over the wall there were some train tracks for overland and underground trains i think

the house prices were much higher in 1979 down here than were my parents bought the house in greater london
 
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Summary and to be clear.

There are people who are in debt, suffering massively and were before the price hikes but they are in a large miniorty.
The people that tick me off ar those in my posts, EG, those that try to run before they can wlak and via my work years ago
and this is people that hardly did an honests days work, they had an expensive, latest mobile where as mine was simple and old - often had access to a new car via someones diablity allowance like their grandparent etc - went on at least two hols abroad when we did not do any and they and their sprogs often wore desginer good whetehr they were genuine or fake i dont know.

I wanted a brand new car, state of the art moible, the biggest flat screen and 2/3 hols a year but i and my wife knew we had to but a house, pay a mortgae, pay bills, plan for how many children we could afford and savings for a rainy day..

Too many people want something for nothing and blame everyone else for their plight rather themselves just like Boris.

This politician may have had xx in expensnes and may be worth xxx, good luck to him as he has a right to an informed opinion just like the rest of us.
 
If somebody owns nice clothes and a nice phone, why should they throw that away just because they are suddenly poor?

I know some people game the system, some are scroungers. But many people really do need help, and some of those suffer terribly. Elderly people, disabled, people with PTSD, depression.

A good old friend, who a mentioned before, has been disabled by covid. The family have gone from wealthy middleclass (he had excellent job in engineering, wife was homemaker) to poor. His wife was in despair at the 28 page document to be completed to be considered for benefits. She literally has no money now. If she was seen at a food bank, some people would question why she is there - they have a nice house, a nice car, nice clothes - she must be a thieving lazy scrounger!

Nobody wants to go to food banks, nobody wants to have so little they can't afford to heat or cook.
 
JP_ said:
If somebody owns nice clothes and a nice phone, why should they throw that away just because they are suddenly poor?
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Not in the context I posted IE I visited these people via work for assessment and had a good idea offical idea they were on benefits and for how long and often their moaning of not being able to afford this, that and the other gave the game away. One of my longstanding clients that was taking the p out of the system and playing the benefits game and claiming bad back and could hardly walk, I'd seen him carry bags of cement as had others, seen him palying football and by his own words how he beat up two blokes. The thing was proving it and proving they were frauds was not down to me but I did what I could, - the bloke made a complaint against me when I suggested a few hours of volunteer work to get him out of the house saying I did not beleive him. At the time I think they had a big suv on one of those schemes. Thankfully a few years down the road he was caught out but played the system but lost the car etc but still manged to get the lower rate dla.

Those that I felt were genuine and circumstances made their life hard, I'd always go the extra mile to help them. I had years of experience in assessing people and access to many records of many types. People like above are giving gneuine claimants poor press and taking up their Bluebade car park spaces as well as those that lend their badge.
 
JP_ said:
Nobody wants to go to food banks, nobody wants to have so little they can't afford to heat or cook.
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I disagree with the above. There are a small minority that will play the system and save money that would have been spent on food used to buy lottery tickets/cigs etc
 
Yes, but the people like the above are the minority.

We don't ban charity, business, political parties, cake shops etc. because some don't play by the rules.
 
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