Major disorder in Leeds

[motorbiking]

What is Labour's policy on this?

blame the Tories for everything, but carry on with a similar strategy.

Week 4 - going well so far

 

[Brigadier]

blame the Tories for everything,

They were responsible, so that's the correct thing to do

but carry on with a similar strategy

Except where they don't, and won't

 

[denso13]

Week 4 - going well so far

Better than expected...

 

[martygturner]

The simple reason why our prison system is failing is the politicisation of sentences to suit the whims of the tory right and the right wing media. We now have more than 35,000 people in prison for simple burglary ( non aggravated - without violence), minor drug offences, shoplifting, minor theft ( less than £500) of which we have over 270 women for nicking electricity.... Which is more than those in prison for serious crimes - murder, rape, sexual crimes, robbery, organised crime etc.

Currently we have 2800 people serving indeterminate sentences who would have been released by now for their crimes and a further 1800 subject to ongoing appeals over unsafe convictions.. who cannot be released until their case is reviewed meaning that they are effectively being held beyond their original sentence.

We could just sort that mess out...

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Its not me who is struggling...

you asked a question



I gave you 3 other options as well as the carry on with the previous approach.

So the answer is yes.

You should take your head out of the clouds and actually understand what they were given.

Action was an emergency. Why ?

Why are you struggling? Nobody sensible thought it would be sensible to carry on as the Tories were doing. Are you one of those that thought that's what should have happened.

You cannot sort anything if you don't actually understand the situation and act accordingly.

The real issue is why were they in the position that they had to act immediately.

You really can't pretend you don't know how bad the situation was. You seem to be trying to.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Better than expected...

Especially given the mess they walked into.

Who left the mess?

 

[motorbiking]

Why are you struggling? Nobody sensible thought it would be sensible to carry on as the Tories were doing.

But that is exactly what they are doing - regarding prisons. i.e. let them out early.

Hopefully they will keep inflation down, unemployment down and the economy outperforming .. like their predecessors

 

[denso13]

But that is exactly what they are doing

You think that's what they are doing. Found the policy yet?

 

[motorbiking]

Thousands of prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding

Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood warns of a "total breakdown of law and order" unless action is taken.

www.bbc.co.uk

Over the next 18 months, the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) told BBC Verify it estimated up to 4,000 extra male prisoners and fewer than 1,000 female prisoners will be released under the new measures.

 

[denso13]

Thousands of prisoners to be released early to ease overcrowding

Justice Secretary Shabana Mahmood warns of a "total breakdown of law and order" unless action is taken.

www.bbc.co.uk

Over the next 18 months, the Ministry of Justice (MoJ) told BBC Verify it estimated up to 4,000 extra male prisoners and fewer than 1,000 female prisoners will be released under the new measures.

Different to the Tory plans.

 

[motorbiking]

were the Tories letting prisoners out early? yes, Is labour doing the same? yes.

14 years of chaos to fix, we here them cry, hopefully they wont do too much damage. Carry on as usual seems like a good start.

 

[denso13]

were the Tories letting prisoners out early? yes, Is labour doing the same? yes.

Different criteria. But let's just call it "exactly" the same, eh...

 

[ajohn]

like their predecessors

In terms of productivity you must be joking.

Meanwhile Labour's train our own kicks off. A long term policy so no immediate results. My understanding is that this relates to all job functions that are needed not just higher tech ones. Wish them luck with fruit pickers but what solution can be 100% effective.

 

[motorbiking]

training home grown talent is a great plan. Hopefully, the high value jobs wont have gone overseas in the meantime, due to less flexible employment rights. You get, that, that hits productivity right?

I also like Starmer's plan to clear out some of the Lords.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

But that is exactly what they are doing - regarding prisons. i.e. let them out early.

Hopefully they will keep inflation down, unemployment down and the economy outperforming .. like their predecessors

What is it you don't understand?

The prison system was on the eve of collapse. Literally days away.

The new Government was forced to take drastic action to regain control. Are you saying the Tories had it under control after how many years?

Labour will no doubt get many things wrong given time. But, give it time. This is a Tory mess.