More deaths in the channel.

[denso13]

If you get prosecuted. Some get lucky,

 

[Roy Bloom]

Let's take another issue, and try to draw parrlells: drug taking in UK
We (rightly) criminalise the drug dealers, and within reson the drug takers.
Any drug addicts resorting to other crimes to support their addiction are also criminalised. The same applies to drug dealers.

That kind of mirrors the action taken to deal with asylum seekers.
Is there more that we can (or in the case of drug dealing) we already do?

Well, yes. We provide and support charities, medical support, and other such available help to assist the addicts from their habit.
We also provide official support to ensure the ex-addicts are not left unsupported.
We have de-criminalised some drug taking. We could go further.

We could go even further, with care, to provide Aid to countries where drug production is an important way of earning a living.

We could apply such actions for asylum seekers; provide safe and legal routes to prevent loss of life, decriminalise some activities, provide support to chartities who's rasion d'etre is to help asylum seekers. (we do the very opposite and remove existing help), we could ensure asylum seekers (and failed asylum seekers) receive sufficient support to prevent their incorporation into slavery, criminality or the black market, (we don't, we remove any existing support).

And so on that illustrates the right wing government's hostility to those seeking safety and to re-entry to so-called civilised society.

 

[Roy Bloom]

it may be luck that you get arrested. It's not luck that you get prosecuted.

They are all "arrested" and taken to an accomodation centre.
After that it's random, haphazard and unlucky if you're prosecuted.

 

[Roy Bloom]

We could provide refugee centres in France to accomodate and pre-process the asylum seekers from Afhganistan, Iraq, Iran, etc.
We know that we have failed these people and we know that we have not processed/rescued all those deserving asylum.

 

[denso13]

We could provide refugee centres in France to accomodate and pre-process the asylum seekers from Afhganistan, Iraq, Iran, etc.

Some prefer that the boat problem continues.

 

[Roy Bloom]

Some prefer that the boat problem continues.

When the obvious solution exists and has been offered, and is resolutely not considered, it's hard to believe that's not true.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

both can be true. If they catch you at the helm, I think you will get prosecuted. Unless you have done a FOI you won’t know how many are on remand for s24/25. The policy has only just started.

How many prosecutions. That should prove your TRUTH or. FANTASY

 

[carmanmemoranda]

it may be luck that you get arrested. It's not luck that you get prosecuted.

Of course it is. Out of thousands arriving how many are prosecuted

 

[motorbiking]

just under 300 boats detected since the new rules came in. Assuming 1 skipper per boat according to data already published just under 200 prosecuted. More than likely many more in progress. So it does seem like the risks are pretty high. As has already been dealt with the so called random and haphazard approach, was rejected by the COA as being irrelevant.

Just because bob gets off, doesn't mean you will

 

[carmanmemoranda]

just under 300 boats detected since the new rules came in. Assuming 1 skipper per boat according to data already published just under 200 prosecuted. More than likely many more in progress. So it does seem like the risks are pretty high. As has already been dealt with the so called random and haphazard approach, was rejected by the COA as being irrelevant.

Just because bob gets off, doesn't mean you will

I don't think detecting the boats is the issue. In fact the RNLI taxi service must know all the details.

300 boats detected. 1 skipper per boat should equal 300 prosecutions, but only 200. Average maybe 20 people per boat (or more).

So prosecutions are minuscule. Who is in charge of this? Why are they failing? Why do you claim all those caught are detained and prosecuted?

Are you deliberately misleading, or downright dishonest? It's looking like dishonest now

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I don't know what the official CPS line is. But there are more boats than prosecutions therefore some facilitators aren't being charged. I don't know what criteria they use to charge/not charge.

Nor does mb, but he suggests if you sit close to the motor you are more likely to be prosecuted. But the numbers don't match that comment.

He's just blowing hot air. Swerving all over the place. Every comment he makes is contrary to previous ones.

It must be on purpose if he is a lawyer.

 

[motorbiking]

And yet I posted an article which clearly sets out the cps guidelines.

More lying lawyers no doubt, in your heads at least.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

And yet I posted an article which clearly sets out the cps guidelines.

More lying lawyers no doubt, in your heads at least.

Your figures again. Not mine.

They don't support your claim. Again

 

[motorbiking]

clearly you didn't read it.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

clearly you didn't read it.

You're just trying to make misleading comments and you know it.

You may have a few that believe you, but I don't think many do