Police officer

[motorbiking]

The key issue in the Blake trial was therefore not the level of harm he intended to cause to Kaba but whether he acted lawfully, ie in self-defence, and to protect colleagues, as he had claimed in court. If the jury felt that he had acted unlawfully, it would only have had to find that by firing at Kaba’s chest Blake intended to cause him grievous bodily harm to conclude that he was guilty of murder. As such, it seems unlikely that giving the jury the alternative option of unlawful act manslaughter would have made a difference.

mtrbikng should read the articles he links

I read it.

The bit you should challenge is this:

The theory goes that it was always going to be difficult to get a jury to convict a police officer of the most serious form of homicide, whereas manslaughter may have been an easier to prove and more palatable option.
The argument appears to be supported by the fact that no police officer has ever been convicted of murdering a suspect and that the only time an officer has been found guilty over a death in the line of duty in the last 37 years was for manslaughter.

What do you think the Article is implying?

Do you think it conveys an argument that the CPS, knew he wouldn't get convicted of Murder, so the whole thing was a show trial to avoid a riot?

They should be ashamed, at the low quality journalism they are exhibiting.

 

[motorbiking]

Yes, he was, although Blake claimed he was aiming at his chest - probably true as it's a larger area to hit in that situation. But, having said that, the suspect was in his car, so that kind of shot would be difficult to make and a head shot more likely in the circumstances.

My contention is the officers didn't incapacitate the vehicle properly, leaving a too large gap between them and him, leading to a small chance for him to make a move. Preferably, they'd be better trapping him securely leaving him no option but to surrender.

Actually it seems he was shot in the head. Report mentioned that the slug fragmented and made a mess of his brain. They do shoot to kill and perhaps not much body was available or a moving vehicle caused an error in the shot. Fact is people are unlikely to survive a body shot due to the type of round that is likely to have been used. They wont want much energy left if the slug passes right through a body as it might kill some one else. The old idea was that it would penetrate and then rattle around internally. Achieved by using a modified standard round probably produced to match standards. Seems things may have moved on and other aspects figure to achieve the same thing / improve the results.

I think you are both forgetting the effect of the windscreen. Plenty of sources suggest a deflection, depending on the ammo used. They tend to disagree which direction the deflection would take. I guess the curve of the glass, angle of shot and the fact the round is spinning make a difference. Either way, the shot probably wasn't aimed at the head.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Jeremy himself said to a caller, although the vehicle was linked to crime, what if the driver happened to be an opportunist thief who had stolen the car. Perhaps even a first time thief. The assertion being did the driver deserve to be shot if identity unknown.

The driver, whoever he might have been, took the risk of taking that car, whether known to him, or stolen. You pays your money, and take the risk in that respect. Having stolen the car, at the road block, even if an 'innocent thief', he should have raised his hands and submitted to the police. I think I heard the police announce they were armed, which means do anything untoward, and you risk being shot, possibly killed.

As it panned out - no great loss to society at all.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Do you think it conveys an argument that the CPS, knew he wouldn't get convicted of Murder, so the whole thing was a show trial to avoid a riot?

In my opinion - yes!

 

[ellal]

You are misreading my post. My underlying point is, most likely, 99 or 100 of said people would comply

Why do you say that?

Because you may be in possession of the 'right skin colour', and don't understand the experiences that those who possess a 'skin of different colour' go through on an almost daily basis?

I have stated that I believe given the facts that came out, plod was in balance justified in this instance...

But to think that innocent people should comply immediately after being given an order from a gun toting plod member is living in fantasy land!

The reaction of most people would be to try and say, 'what's the problem?'

If you think otherwise then you are an advocate for a police state which is coming into force as we speak!

But there is another point to add...

The suspect was unarmed, and we have been repeatedly told that tasers were introduced to avoid the use of firearms...

So why didn't that happen, and are the streets any safer given the anger this incident will have no doubt enraged...

Personally I fear for innocent people and decent plod members...

Because as was witnessed after the false reporting of immigrant crimes, the fires of hatred will quickly spread!

 

[motorbiking]

Ellal, you are going to get shot, if you ignore a police officer who is armed and gives you an order.

But answering your specific questions is easy.

Suspect vehicle, suspected of involvement in a shooting, armed officers deployed. That simple.

 

[Notch7]

But to think that innocent people should comply immediately after being given an order from a gun toting plod member is living in fantasy land!

is it?

I think I would be fairly quick to comply

 

[motorbiking]

Its even easier to freeze after.

 

[motorbiking]

Having said they wont do anything.. it looks like they will

Government to take new measures on police accountability - including anonymity for firearms officers​

Speaking in the House of Commons, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has announced new measures in the wake of the Chris Kaba case.
Ms Cooper says a review launched under the last government found that the system for holding police officers to account does not command the confidence "of either the public or the police".
Three measures will be taken forward by the government - all of which were proposed under the Conservatives.
This includes raising the threshold for prosecution to cases that have "a reasonable prospect of conviction" - moving it in line with the rest of the public.
The IOPC police watchdog will also be allowed to refer cases to CPS where there is sufficient evidence, rather than having to wait for a final report.
There will also be a statutory right for the victim to review decisions.
In a measure that gets cheers from the house, the home secretary says firearms officers will get a presumption of anonymity.
Ms Cooper says the attorney general will ask the Director of Public Prosecutions to examine the guidelines for charging the police for actions carried out in the course of their duties.

I wasn't aware that there was a lower threshold for prosecuting police officers.. I can't find anything on the subject. Certainly nothing in the code of conduct:

"Crown Prosecutors must be satisfied there is enough evidence to provide a "realistic prospect of conviction" against each defendant."

 

[Brigadier]

The reaction of most people would be to try and say, 'what's the problem?'

Not if you've just been shot in the head, it wouldn't be.

And the chances of having been shot at all greatly increase if you try to argue the toss with armed police - especially if they can't clearly see any potential threat you pose (seated inside the dark interior of a car, for instance).

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

Government to take new measures on police accountability - including anonymity for firearms officers

Not before time!

 

[fixitflav]

we have been repeatedly told that tasers were introduced to avoid the use of firearms...

Tasers can penetrate windscreens, can they?

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Because you may be in possession of the 'right skin colour', and don't understand the experiences that those who possess a 'skin of different colour' go through on an almost daily basis?

I'm mixed race with dark skin

Here's a little song just for you ...

 

[aveatry]

Here's another one I called right

Why was the copper named

Having said they wont do anything.. it looks like they will

Government to take new measures on police accountability - including anonymity for firearms officers​

Speaking in the House of Commons, Home Secretary Yvette Cooper has announced new measures in the wake of the Chris Kaba case.
Ms Cooper says a review launched under the last government found that the system for holding police officers to account does not command the confidence "of either the public or the police".

 

[diy_fun_uk]

Self accountability. Increasingly we seem to be losing this trait as individuals and wider society.