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There were shots of it being used in Iraq on the beeb. The word bomb used. Also reports from a young Ukrainian fighting in it. There are far more effective ways of burning people. The famed lines of fire produced by a certain type of bomb for instance. Often seen in movies.
No, there really isn't.
 
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I wonder how many younger "fifth columnists" there are in Russia.

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I don't know what happens to bomb shells when they explode.
Looks like cluster bombs come like this come apart at some altitude with a small charge or mechanism to spray the bomblets out well before they hit the ground. At that point, ish, they lose the booster casing etc, which doesn't have explosive so it drops to the ground. Hence the bit of plumbing

Also some military kit does use ball bearings.
Not in cluster bombs, as far as I found. I looked up half a dozen descriptions of contents until I was re-reading the same ingredients lists.
 
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Russia is saying the Ukranians fired the missile from a point they give, south west of Kramatorsk. There are no Russians in that direction, it is claimed.
The part of the missile which comes off first, hits the ground first, short of the target. It's clear (I haven't verified) from pics shown in this post, one from US newspaper, the missile came from the South West.
This site carried pro Russia stuff, I don't know who 'owns' it.
https://www.moonofalabama.org/2022/...k.html?cid=6a00d8341c640e53ef0282e14e81e7200b
It's odd that the US newspaper didn't point out the discrepancy.

Of course it's possible that the Russians drove one of the carriers down there especially, or with help from friendly forces - who knows. The carriers are slow though, only 37 or so mph.

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Zelensky is indeed a man of many talents:
 
Napalm can be extinguished, White Phosphorus can't. Napalm doesn't scale down, White Phosphorus does. Both are horrific but WP is one of the nastiest things still in common use in war.


I understand what you're saying, but don't we live in a strange world? I'd consider being bombed by either as a fairly bad day.

That's not a critique of your post to be clear, just agreeing that all these weapons are horrific, but some less horrific than others.
 
Napalm can be extinguished, White Phosphorus can't. Napalm doesn't scale down, White Phosphorus does. Both are horrific but WP is one of the nastiest things still in common use in war.
Napalm (modern version) is far deadlier in that is uses up available oxygen and imparts carbon monoxide more readily, thus suffocating those that may escape the flames. I'm sure I read somewhere that they started to include Willie Pete into modern napalm mixture. Horrendous stuff. Extremely difficult to extinguish napalm in the battlefield.
 
Afaik Napalm was used against the Germans in WW2

extensively against the Japanese in WW2

either by bombs or in flame throwers

It was a decisive weapon during the Korean War ????

and used extensively in Vietnam
 
Of course it's possible that the Russians drove one of the carriers down there especially, or with help from friendly forces - who knows. The carriers are slow though, only 37 or so mph.
It could be down to a rogue crew. I'd hope not a strange false flag crew from the side that got hit. There has been photo's of a cluster carrier embedded in the ground. That to prove that they had been used. Sort of long finned rack with holes for the bomblets.

Napalm (modern version) is far deadlier in that is uses up available oxygen and imparts carbon monoxide more readily, thus suffocating those that may escape the flames. I'm sure I read somewhere that they started to include Willie Pete into modern napalm mixture. Horrendous stuff. Extremely difficult to extinguish napalm in the battlefield.
According to the Pentagon napalm has gone green - less harm to the environment and the mix contains white phosphorus. The mix is intended to be harder to put out. They have added some sort of oxidiser to keep the fire going. Things may have moved on further since it got a wiki entry.

Legal usage of incendiary bombs of various types including wp is convolute. It depends - something along the lines of less collateral damage. The USA wouldn't sign up to the convention but appeared to have done so with that rider. Napalm and WP seems to have been used in Iraq.

WP is used for smoke and in flares. An incendiary bomb using it scatters lots of balls of the stuff all over the place. Nothing like a few flares falling from the sky.

One ban that I thought strange depending on how you look at it. Assad's dustbin bombs - they land where he wants them to and actually they were explosive types. Poor man's precision missile. There is so,me contention about the gas attack. Truly devious evil bloke anyway.
 
If Vinty doesnt want to be called Putins buddy, he should directly admit Russia is committing massive war crimes
OK Notch, show me where i have denied that the Russians have committed war crimes.

In the fog of war, we won't know the truth until things have calmed down and proper investigations can be carried out to find out who did what.
You seem to have a problem with people who aren't anti Russian, you seem to conflate that condition with pro Russian.
As the UK has not yet declared war on Russia, i presume, that others are entitled to have opinions that you don't like.
 
I am intrigued that you find the deaths of innocents 'interesting'.

I find much of the gory stuff interesting.

Why an explosion can kill you without anything hitting you except the shock wave, for example, or the ballistics and impact of a high velocity bullet which you might think would go straight through you.
I read something about the Swiss developing a gun which can fire small diameter flechette-type projectiles, which was deemed to be so evil that it's banned.
Anti-personnel mines are clever, they pop up out of the ground then if you're within a 16 metre radius, cheerio:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/worl...ir-Putin-troops-jumping-landmines-Ukraine-war


Chemicals, biologicals, lasers and so on are still being refined, or perhaps already developed, lurking secretly for use by the desperate. Imagine the ability ro destroy the retinas of your enemy, with light they can't see, in a flash - how useful.
 
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Tis all hypocricy imo

tis the way the world is

but the fact is Putin / Russians are the invaders

so any and all war crimes are down to them

that’s it and all about it IMO

simples
 
a high velocity bullet which you might think would go straight through you.

There is a feeling in the military that it's best to leave people who need treatment rather than kill them. Hence higher muzzle velocities. Not sure about now but an article about what the police use was different. Specially produced bullet with a low charge. Idea - to penetrate and not go straight through. More likely to rattle about inside. They also needed to limit power so that bullets can't go through walls. It seems that was a problem with armalites in NI. Flats were mentioned.

The other way of limiting power to go through people is lead and hollow points etc.Small entry wound and huge exits wound. Armies can't use them. Seems civilians can in some countries.

:whistle: I used to do a lot of small bore target shooting long ago and a gun magazine used to arrive for us to read. Some one had developed an unstable bullet. It travelled in a sort of string of long loops. General idea, body hit, had it. Arm or leg, off it comes. I've no idea what happened to the idea.
 
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