Safety of Rwanda (Asylum and Immigration) Draft Bill

[transam]

If they vote it down ?? Than he may be forced to have one of them confidence votes ??

 

[blup]

HTF can a court deem a law illegal?

I'm fairly sure we don't live under a dictatorship, I'm fairly sure we will have a general election soon and a new dictatorship.

HTF can it not when the govt breaks international law and its own human rights law. Britain is great because the courts have stood up to rogue governments - and kings over the centuries.

Blup

 

[motorbiking]

So how do they manage to identify Albanians?

Or are they the only ones not smart enough to lose their papers

Because we have an agreement £££ in place

 

[motorbiking]

You can’t get Asylum without evidence.

the asylum seeker applying has to provide the documentation and evidence of who he or she is and the justification for asylum.

We are talking about the ones who aren’t successful, remember?

 

[motorbiking]

You make the false assumption they are coming over here on a jolly.

People don’t just up sticks and go to a new country on a whim, they do it because where they are is intolerable.

Or they think they will have a better life. Or they are on a promise of such.

 

[motorbiking]

HTF can it not when the govt breaks international law and its own human rights law. Britain is great because the courts have stood up to rogue governments - and kings over the centuries.

Blup

Maybe. But in this case it’s passed in to law.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

Because we have an agreement £££ in place

But If they have no papers, how are they identified

 

[blup]

Maybe. But in this case it’s passed in to law.

Johnson’s suspension of parliament declared illegal because he lied/gave dodgy advice to the queen.

Leaving the eu without a decision of parliament - illegal.

In each case the pm/parliament weren't even following their own rules.

Blup

 

[Notch7]

Or they think they will have a better life. Or they are on a promise of such.

Daily Mail trope.

most of those arriving here are from: Syria, Eritrea, Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan.
those are all places of war and or persecution


You don’t leave your homeland where it’s just about ok, leave your family and community and travel thousands of miles in dangerous conditions with no guarantee of success just in case “it might possibly lead to a better life”

And it’s complete bolox these people leave to get a free place in a hotel.



Yes we know there are some coming from Nigeria, Pakistan etc which are economic migrants….but you are doing what the dishonest right wing always do: take examples of the minority and try to frame as though they are all like it. It is exactly what you do.

 

[Notch7]

Maybe. But in this case it’s passed in to law.

Yeah because this right wing populist govt has a majority.

And it’s a govt controlled by the hard right who want human rights removed and laws protecting citizens deregulated.

 

[Notch7]

We are talking about the ones who aren’t successful, remember?

False argument.

If they come here without documentation and won’t provide any evidence of who they are, they can’t claim asylum.

It seems you are claiming they come here with the express wish of not wanting asylum…..makes no sense.

you are welcome to explain your logic.

 

[motorbiking]

I suggest you read up on what actually goes on.

 

[Odds]

Poor ol'Notch will be too busy catching up on the inner dealings of the EU and the Chinese Covid Conspiracy to have much time left to go down the governments winding road of Rwanda Asylum rulez.

 

[Odds]

I was among the few who publicly disapproved of the scheme, but I could only do so on social media and in foreign publications and channels, as local media would not dare give me the platform, says former opposition leader, Victoire Ingabire in the Guardian this morning.

The policy should be opposed on the basis of the facts. Rwanda is not a free country because political rights are restricted and civil liberties are curbed. Moreover, it remains among the poorest and least developed countries in the world and the most unequal country in the east of Africa region. Anyone transferred to Rwanda will not be offered a real solution because of these constraints. In fact, because of its social and economic conditions, Rwanda also produces refugees.

I have paid and continue to pay a heavy price for expressing views that challenge the narrative of the government in Rwanda. In 2010, I returned to the country from exile in the Netherlands. I was immediately arrested after openly challenging its reconciliation policy in relation to the 1994 genocide. The then-UK parliamentary under secretary of state for Africa, Henry Bellingham, declared that I was arrested on trumped-up charges. I was sentenced to 15 years’ imprisonment by Rwanda’s supreme court.

My story and those of others who have been harassed, jailed, forced into exile or worse for challenging the government are tangible evidence of a lack of respect for human rights in Rwanda.

The UK already knew about the human rights situation, which has recently been flagged by its highest court. It cannot be simply solved by passing a bill that declares Rwanda a safe country, only by tackling the real issues that make it an unsafe country. Any attempts to transfer asylum seekers to Rwanda must be stopped until the UK has supported the country to improve.

 

[Brigadier]

Rwanda Asylum r ulez

Another ULEZ