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Mickymoody
This thread has gone on for a while now Coljack, are you experiencing other problems, like excess flabiness? I've seen TV shows with people on that need skin removing? Is that working, do you have an excess of water retention? Just curious, not being rude.
I will most likely need to have the overhang chopped off at a later date, but I'll give it a while and see how much it shrinks back on it's own..
skin is kind of like a balloon..
if you blow it up a little bit it will snap back to it's original shape when you let it down, but if you blow it up really hard and leave it that way for a while, it will be all stretched and wrinkly when you let the air out..
no I don't suffer from exess water, I drink loads so I pee every few hours...
skin is kind of like a balloon..
if you blow it up a little bit it will snap back to it's original shape when you let it down, but if you blow it up really hard and leave it that way for a while, it will be all stretched and wrinkly when you let the air out..
no I don't suffer from exess water, I drink loads so I pee every few hours...
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cantaloup63
There is clearly a debate regarding whether the NHS should pick up the tab for treating clinically blooming huge people since some may consider getting up to that size a personal choice.
However, when someone has "deflated", for want of a better expression, I feel that a reward of the tummy-tuck on the NHS is possibly warranted since such a person will probably have saved the country cash in the long run and has made the necessary commitment to return to health and thus employability.
Anyway ColJack, blooming well done at an average of 3lb or so a week.
However, when someone has "deflated", for want of a better expression, I feel that a reward of the tummy-tuck on the NHS is possibly warranted since such a person will probably have saved the country cash in the long run and has made the necessary commitment to return to health and thus employability.
Anyway ColJack, blooming well done at an average of 3lb or so a week.
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Mickymoody
I believe a similar case to what you state has been discussed on the news recently, where an elderly gent, well, late 50's, wanted to have a gastric band fitted and was refused by the NHS, the chap seemed like a typical elederly chap, with a spread, as would be expected, so, to me it seems to me to boil down to money spent vs life expectancy,
the same seems true in cancer cases..the drugs cost more than to help someone live an extra 5 years. There are moral issues to be addressed. And how to put a price on someones life?
See my other thread..50 years old 100 years ago was a good age to die... but now, it's middle aged. And I saw a documentary that said someone born today, would live to be 200.
the same seems true in cancer cases..the drugs cost more than to help someone live an extra 5 years. There are moral issues to be addressed. And how to put a price on someones life?
See my other thread..50 years old 100 years ago was a good age to die... but now, it's middle aged. And I saw a documentary that said someone born today, would live to be 200.
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Mickymoody
I recall the case you mention about the chap wanting a gastric band. For me, his physical state is still a personal life choice (although there is an argument for him possibly having a psychological condition, in which case this is what needs treating and not the symptom of obesity) and as such shouldn't be provided free of charge.
If however he lost significant body mass to the extent that surplus flesh needed removing, then this would seem fine to me. After all, he would have "cured" himself and quite possibly the NHS a potentially large fee in the future.
As for longevity, one of the stories in Gulliver's travels does point out an obvious flaw - namely the physical and mental decrepidity of someone who's body had lasted that long.
Theoretically possible maybe, but whether desirable is another question.
I recall the case you mention about the chap wanting a gastric band. For me, his physical state is still a personal life choice (although there is an argument for him possibly having a psychological condition, in which case this is what needs treating and not the symptom of obesity) and as such shouldn't be provided free of charge.
If however he lost significant body mass to the extent that surplus flesh needed removing, then this would seem fine to me. After all, he would have "cured" himself and quite possibly the NHS a potentially large fee in the future.
As for longevity, one of the stories in Gulliver's travels does point out an obvious flaw - namely the physical and mental decrepidity of someone who's body had lasted that long.
Theoretically possible maybe, but whether desirable is another question.
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Alarm
And now of course you have written a paper to prove this theory.
The following is not specifically aimed at you, more at the general argument..
On that basis, should the NHS pick up the tab for stitching you up after a drunken fall or brawl on a saturday night? after all it was your choice to get drunk...
should they foot the bill for the oxygen tanks for smokers who end up with chronic lung problems?
pay for the transplant team for heavy drinkers getting a new liver?
the pins and rods needed to put a bikers leg back together after a crash?..... and so on... even right down to should they pay for the nurses and midwives for your wife when she drops pregnant.. it was your choice....
about the only things that the NHS should be paying for under those "rules", are injuries and illnesses caused by "acts of God".. if a tree fell on you in high wind maybe.. but then you could argue that it was your choice to be walking past it in the first place..
I pay my taxes and NI just like everyone else so why should the sickly and infirm, the smokers and the boozers get all the help and not me just because I don't / didn't eat the right things.. ( and that's sometimes not a choice, it's necessity if chips and mass produced prcessed foods are cheaper than fresh fruit and veg
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Food is a necessity unlike smoking and drinking but there's plenty of free help for them available... ( and I suppose here comes the "well we pay extra tax on those..." arguments..
)anyway.. rant over.. and again not aimed at anyone in particular, just the "well he got himself fat, why should we pay to help him" mentallity..
for those keeping score or who care, I've now lost 158.5lbs ( 11st 4.5lbs ), or about 71.9Kg.. in 55 weeks...
that's a little over 1/3 of my original weight when I started my diet..
that's a little over 1/3 of my original weight when I started my diet..
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Susiejb
One small point re your previous post:
........and that's sometimes not a choice, it's necessity if chips and mass produced processed foods are cheaper than fresh fruit and veg.
I would have to disagree there, there is always a choice to take the healthier option .... the reason that we usually don't is because we actually enjoy the unhealthier one more...as in why do I eat chocolate instead of a carrot each evening ...the answer being that chocolate is very yummy and a carrot is ...well...just a carrot
Having said that well done for losing all that weight ....and for having the staying power to keep at it
........and that's sometimes not a choice, it's necessity if chips and mass produced processed foods are cheaper than fresh fruit and veg.
I would have to disagree there, there is always a choice to take the healthier option .... the reason that we usually don't is because we actually enjoy the unhealthier one more...as in why do I eat chocolate instead of a carrot each evening ...the answer being that chocolate is very yummy and a carrot is ...well...just a carrot
Having said that well done for losing all that weight ....and for having the staying power to keep at it
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Susiejb
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