The British Empire Good or Bad........

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

French atrocities.....
Vietnam
Algeria
Libya
Syria
Spain
Portugal
Italy
Indo China
Haiti

Dover customs

Time for France to face its past.

https://theconversation.com/its-tim...past-and-debate-crimes-against-humanity-74886

3 year old news feed but very relevant today.

The big difference is France, and the French do face its colonial past. It's taught in French schools. Whereas the same cannot be said for the British colonial atrocities, it isn't taught in UK schools. It's glossed over, and as the speaker in the video posted by Notch7 says, the attention is on such irrelevant things as Henry VIII's wives.

 

[Scarlet Pimpernel]

and give yer house back

I've met and talked to the owner before the immediate previous owner, who has now died of old age. She lived in the local village. The road that we now live on never existed in her time. The farm, of her time, has been subdivided between family members since her time. Which is normal practice in France due to the inheritance laws.
I'm well aware of its provenance, and not only am I content with it, I'm pleased to know about the previous occupiers and their stories.

Can you assure the readers that your immediate forbears were not involved in atrocities committed in WW2?
Have you considered apologising and compensating the victims of Austrian atrocities during WW2?

 

[transam]

No highly un likely they were not involved in atrocities
I had a great uncle in Stalingrad
Who was alive 3 or 4 days prior to the surrender dunno if he was shot or died in captivity

and may be one of my relatives did You a favour by helping the French kick out the original owner of your property

and

Highly un likely any of your neighbours would say any different is it

and if it it was the case u would not care

 

[fillyboy]

The big difference is France, and the French do face its colonial past.

Didn't Macron refuse to apologize for Algeria?

 

[transam]

And french troops defended Algeria against British and American troops in WW2

 

[transam]

33rd waffen grenadiers

division of the SS in world war 2

 

[transam]

The brutality of french troops in the Algerian war is documented

could be up to a million Algerian casulties ?

2million displaced ???

 

[fillyboy]

Nice.

Paris massacre of 1961 - Wikipedia

The Paris massacre of 1961 occurred on 17 October 1961, during the Algerian War (1954–62). Under orders from the head of the Parisian police, Maurice Papon, the French National Police attacked a demonstration by 30,000 pro-National Liberation Front (FLN) Algerians. After 37 years of denial and censorship of the press, in 1998 the French government finally acknowledged 40 deaths, although there are estimates of 100 to 300 victims.[1] Death was due to heavy-handed beating by the police, as well as mass drownings, as police officers threw demonstrators in the river Seine.

The massacre was intentional, as substantiated by historian Jean-Luc Einaudi, who won a trial against Papon in 1999 (Papon had been convicted in 1998 of crimes against humanity for his role under the Vichy collaborationist regime during World War II). Official documentation and eyewitness accounts within the Paris police department suggest that Papon directed the massacre himself. Police records show that he called for officers in one station to be "subversive" in quelling the demonstrations, and assured them protection from prosecution if they participated.[2]

Forty years after the massacre, on 17 October 2001, Bertrand Delanoë, the Socialist Mayor of Paris, put up a plaque in remembrance of the massacre on the Pont Saint-Michel.[3][4] How many demonstrators were killed is still unclear. In the absence of official estimates, the plaque commemorating the massacre reads, "In memory of the many Algerians killed during the bloody repression of the peaceful demonstration of 17 October 1961". On 18 February 2007 (the day after Papon's death) calls were made for a Paris Métro station under construction in Gennevilliers to be named "17 Octobre 1961" in commemoration of the massacre.[5][6]

 

[Vinty]

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33rd waffen grenadiers

division of the SS in world war 2

Thousands of Waffen SS were allowed to settle in Britain after the War, some ended up driving Londons busses.
Have always wondered if the character Blakey from the sitcom On the Busses was based on one of these SS types.

 

[transam]

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Thousands of Waffen SS were allowed to settle in Britain after the War, some ended up driving Londons busses.
Have always wondered if the character Blakey from the sitcom On the Busses was based on one of these SS types.

33rd grenadiers
they were a french division of the SS

walloon legion were a belgiumn infantary division of the waffen SS

handschar were a muslim division of the SS

 

[Vinty]

All empires are bad i guess but some were worse than others.
You can't build an empire and have a social conscience at the same time.
Compared to other empires i doubt the British were the worst.
What about them Belgians and their behavior in the Congo, they made cannibalism look civilised.
The Spanish/Catholic church in South America.

Or the Americans in Vietnam, have been watching documentaries about that war.
The Americans massacred 1000's of innocent civilians, the most notorious incident at My Lai where 400 civilians who were mostly old folk, women and babies were shot at point blank range.
In another incident 97 civilians were murdered.
Very few of the perpetrators were ever charged.

 

[transam]

My lai

was that a left tenant caley ??? Was it ??

 

[ellal]

I don't care if it was good or bad, it is now history, and hopefully many centuries later we have learned the good and bad.and adjusted our society accordingly.

The fact that you and your ilk 'don't care' is the reason history repeats itself!

My fear now is we are now too appeasing, and this whole woke nonsense is being agreed with too much

Funnily enough the origin of 'woke' comes from the US, and refers to a 'perceived awareness of issues that concern social justice and racial justice'.

So from your 'don't care' comment, are we to conclude that you are a racist and not concerned with everyone having a 'fair crack of the whip'?

 

[transam]

The fact that you and your ilk 'don't care' is the reason history repeats itself!


Funnily enough the origin of 'woke' comes from the US, and refers to a 'perceived awareness of issues that concern social justice and racial justice'.

So from your 'don't care' comment, are we to conclude that you are a racist and not concerned with everyone having a 'fair crack of the whip'?

so u care than and apart from sounding off on a diy
Forum what else do you do

 

[sxturbo]

The fact that you and your ilk 'don't care' is the reason history repeats itself!


Funnily enough the origin of 'woke' comes from the US, and refers to a 'perceived awareness of issues that concern social justice and racial justice'.

So from your 'don't care' comment, are we to conclude that you are a racist and not concerned with everyone having a 'fair crack of the whip'?

Give it a rest, you can conclude whatever you like, but being British doesn't automatically make you racist. And just because someone doesn't care what happened a few centuries ago (some much more recent I admit, India for example) does not make them racist. The fact of the matter is what happened then wouldn't be socially or politically acceptable now, so society clearly has made progress.

People can keep banging on about how much of a bunch of c unts us Brits were all that time ago, but it has little relevance to today. Yes it shaped some countries future, and some may even be paying the price still today, but why keep bleating on about it, we can't change it, and those that were around then are no longer with us now so cannot be held accountable.

Why not move on and think what can we do different, and then do that thing different..... Oh that's right plebs like you insist on concentrating on the past.

We know our history, it is what it is. Every country in the world has their own story of terrible deeds, some maybe more so.

However since that time the UK has been at the forefront of social change and justice.

No one gets it right all the time, and there will always be those that disagree, you can never please everyone.

There is always someone somewhere that feels butt hurt and rather than look at themselves in the mirror, they blame it on others around them.be it skin colour, religion, post code etc..