They’re dealing out swift justice to the rioters

[motorbiking]

Where they are not sure 100% which charge to go for, they remand on bail to case build, they are then rearrested on the charge they intend to proceed with. There is also a lot of noise and allegations from the lawyers which need to be explored.

 

[JonathanM]

Yeah just seen it. It'll be interesting to see if Farage et al wait until the persons details are formally released or jump the gun. I suspect their approach will be governed by the colour of the persons skin and their nationality.

This is from Sky News, so obviously not as trustworthy as Channel3Now.

A witness, who performs as Darth Vader, said he saw a young, white, skinny male dressed in a black T-shirt and jeans putting the girl in a headlock and stabbing her.

Security guard disarms knifeman after girl, 11, and woman, 34, stabbed in Leicester Square

A man has been arrested, while the victims have been taken to a hospital's major trauma centre.

news.sky.com

 

[diy_fun_uk]

I read this too. Good to see the community acting......

Abdullah, 29, who works at TWG tea in Leicester Square, said he intervened to stop the attacker who had blood on his face and chest.

MMmmm, if the perpetrator ends up being of colour, the name of the hero who stopped it could prove problematic to those who are itching to repeat the actions seen over recent days.

 

[motorbiking]

As far as I can tell, hate crime wasn't actually added as a factor in the prosecution of the two men already sentenced. On the basis of reading those two sentences, it seem she is in line for the same sort of sentence if guilty.

Culpability will be category A, if there was "Intention to incite serious violence".

Harm could well be category 1 if her statement "directly encourages activity which threatens or endangers life".

and the aggravating factor is "Timing of incident – particularly sensitive social climate"

I don't see the parallel with A1 and Tyler Kay.

 

[JonathanM]

I don't see the parallel with A1 and Tyler Kay.

Well, if she intended to incite others to burn down hotels with people inside, surely that can only be "Intention to incite serious violence". In which case it would be category A.

The Harm category is a bit more difficult for me to interpret.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Her post in the context is clearly publishing material intending to stir up racial hatred, contrary to Section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986.

I do not believe there was a motive of hate as an aggravating factor ...

How the ***** *** can a comment intending to stir up racial hatred not be based on hate as a motive?

Would this be an example of an offence intended to stir up racial hatred:
"I love Martians, They should all be welcome here. We could accommodate them in five star hotels, that's what I'd like. If that makes me a racist, so be it"

Or would this be considered to be motivated by hate:

"Mass deportation now, set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the b******* for all I care… if that makes me racist, so be it.”

Wife of Tory councillor arrested for Twitter post inciting racial hatred

THE wife of a Tory councillor has been arrested after she called for hotels with asylum seekers to be set on fire...

www.thenational.scot

She'll have a future in the Farage's team.

 

[motorbiking]

Well, if she intended to incite others to burn down hotels with people inside, surely that can only be "Intention to incite serious violence". In which case it would be category A.

The Harm category is a bit more difficult for me to interpret.

her biggest problem is this part:

"set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the bastards for all I care"

It can be interpreted as either:
- ambivalence to others committing the crime of racially aggravated arson/murder etc..
- encouragement to commit the crime of racially aggravated arson/murder etc.

Hence I don't see A1. But as I've said, she may please guilty and she may not get good legal advice.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

her biggest problem is this part:

"set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the bastards for all I care"

It can be interpreted as either:
- ambivalence to other committing the crime of racially aggravated arson/murder etc..
- encouragement to commit the crime of racially aggravated arson/murder etc.

Hence I don't see A1. But as I've said, she may please guilty and she may not get good legal advice.

Her intention was indicated by her last comment: "If that makes me a racist, so be it".
She knew exactly what she was saying and why.
Additionally, her first comment called for mass deportation. That's quite clearly not ambivalence.
So her biggest problem is the two sentences that you omitted. They show her intention to incite hatred and violence.

 

[JonathanM]

her biggest problem is this part:

"set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the bastards for all I care"

It can be interpreted as either:
- ambivalence to other committing the crime of racially aggravated arson/murder etc..
- encouragement to commit the crime of racially aggravated arson/murder etc.

Yes, I see that now.

 

[motorbiking]

It is not illegal to be a racist.
Calling for mass deportation of illegal immigrants is not illegal. It was after all government policy until a month or so ago.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

It is not illegal to be a racist.

Agreed.

Calling for mass deportation of illegal immigrants is not illegal. It was after all government policy until a month or so ago.

Agreed, but when it's followed by incitement to burn hotels, it's absolutely illegal.
And she accepted that it was based on her racism.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

her biggest problem is this part:

"set fire to all the f****** hotels full of the bastards for all I care"

It can be interpreted as either:
- ambivalence to others committing the crime of racially aggravated arson/murder etc..
- encouragement to commit the crime of racially aggravated arson/murder etc.

Hence I don't see A1. But as I've said, she may please guilty and she may not get good legal advice.

I interpret that as someone who would be quite happy to stand by and watch these people burn if the accommodation was set alight.

Nice person that ...

Apparently the authorities had very good intel that if the hotels broken into hadn't had police in them, there would have been severe beating and possibly lynching of those inside.

Is that what we've come to?

If that's the England you want you can have it, I'll change my Scottish independence vote to yes if there's ever another referendum on it. Mind you, it seems that would also please many English people. England is at risk of becoming ever more isolationist, again perhaps that what many of you want down there.

 

[Harry Bloomfield]

I smell a request to change of forum posting name!

 

[carmanmemoranda]

I interpret that as someone who would be quite happy to stand by and watch these people burn if the accommodation was set alight.

Nice person that ...

Apparently the authorities had very good intel that if the hotels broken into hadn't had police in them, there would have been severe beating and possibly lynching of those inside.

Is that what we've come to?

If that's the England you want you can have it, I'll change my Scottish independence vote to yes if there's ever another referendum on it. Mind you, it seems that would also please many English people. England is at risk of becoming ever more isolationist, again perhaps that what many of you want down there.

I am proud to stand up and say that is NOT the England I want. I don't believe the majority do either.

But it's obvious there are some on here that really do want that

 

[ellal]

Lets be really clear because I know some of the forum members are a bit retarded, or pretend to be (not aiming that at you).

Her post in the context is clearly publishing material intending to stir up racial hatred, contrary to Section 19 of the Public Order Act 1986.

I do not believe there was a motive of hate as an aggravating factor and nothing in the CPS press release suggest they are pushing for sentence in line with an aggravated offence, should she be found guilty or plead guilty.

I thank you for the bit in brackets

But I have to say that imo there is a bit of a contradiction in your post...

'publishing material intending to stir up racial hatred' is a hate crime and an aggravating factor...

Otherwise why would she have posted what she did?

Of course like some on here and other places, she could have had one too many...

But often that is when true feelings/beliefs can come out!