Ukraine counter offensive
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Overhearing of a few phones used by ill disciplined grunts doesn't constitute "comprehensively penetrated."
Hmm, just pathetic crap again.
That would be refering to the Challenger I tanks that I think are in Jordan(?). I heard rumours we were going to give 20 odd Challenger II tanks, which is a tiny number but makes sense in the incremental increase in capability and volume of weapons.
20 Modern MBTs is nothing Putin will go nuclear over, if anything he'll mock it. But then we've started giving first line tanks, so when Germany offers old tanks but in volume...
I heard 10 Challenger2 mentioned(we only have around 300) i think the idea is for us to be the first to supply Western tanks and try and force Germany and others to hand over Leopards of which there is a large stockpile, but Jordan has around 350 of our old challenger 1 tanks so these could well be available, not very modern but maybe useful.
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Well, ten , maybe
UK considers supplying handful of Challenger 2 tanks to Ukraine
Sources say Kyiv hopes move may encourage Berlin to supply Leopard 2s as it seeks 300 tanks in war against Russia
www.theguardian.com
I wouldn't fancy being in any tank in Ukraine. One can afford to shoot of a lot of laser guided missiles at a juicy target like that. It's not that hard to guide one on a static, large object lit up by laser.
this article
Russia’s Deadly Artillery Drones Have A Strange Secret (Updated)
Russia’s small drones are directing laser-guided precision artillery rounds onto Ukrainian tanks with deadly effect. A new video shows the design is less advanced than you might expect, with an off-the-shelf DSLR Canon camera, but it would be wrong to underestimate Russian drones.
www.forbes.com
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Read Challenger 3's order went in a year or so ago, and 2/3rds of our Ch2's were being updated. Maybe they'll send some of the the unmodified 70 or so!
Anyone know which if any have anti-missile defences on them?
Anyone know which if any have anti-missile defences on them?
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Very vague.
Does it mean a thousand a year, starting in 2024?
Would that be enough to last Ukraine a week?
The talk about drones using this and that. Take a look at what can be bought for £90 indicating basic electronics kit that could be connected to various bits and pieces to increase range etc. That covers a camera and gps. Various bits from similar areas can provide the rest for smaller drones.
Military electronics gets expensive as it should be designed for -55 to 125C. In practice -40-85C automotive would be adequate and all sorts of cheap bits and pieces are available for that. Commercial 0-70C not so good but going outside that doesn't mean it wont work. The rest is software that can be run on all sorts, If Russia is still making drones and they run out of Canon cameras and so called USA chips that may have been made in Taiwan there is all sorts of stuff around that could be used. A major work area is often software which they have.
Military electronics gets expensive as it should be designed for -55 to 125C. In practice -40-85C automotive would be adequate and all sorts of cheap bits and pieces are available for that. Commercial 0-70C not so good but going outside that doesn't mean it wont work. The rest is software that can be run on all sorts, If Russia is still making drones and they run out of Canon cameras and so called USA chips that may have been made in Taiwan there is all sorts of stuff around that could be used. A major work area is often software which they have.
Afraid I don't get all this talk about tanks. When Ukraine is shown using them it's been mobile artillery style not WWII style. Most will have seen what happened with Russian tanks when they tried semi WWII time. Up pops some one with an antitank missile of some sort.
A WWII attack on a town etc would be bomb hell out of it, shell it, then send tanks and troops in. Any resistance kill everybody. Tanks used for troops hiding in buildings and that sort of thing. Cities somewhat different. Why not destroy Paris for instance - they wanted to capture it.
When Russia started chasing Germans back to Berlin initial work was done with artillery. Rather a lot of it.
France surrendered before the Germans got near Paris, and tanks do have a use in Ukraine, what would you use to protect the infantry when advancing, and as in all wars some will be lost, but it beats infantry running across fields unprotected.
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In the days of Napoleon you didn't send in the cavalry without infantry support. In the age of armour you don't send the infantry in without tanks to back 'em up. It seems the age of the drone is upon us and armour has become more vulnerable, though, and this conflict has been a defensive success for Ukraine. By all accounts any offensive by Russia will have to enforced with extreme prejudice to have any chance of success and all for the sake of Putin's ego. Russian infantrymen will become grass under the scythe.
You've missed the footage of tanks shooting it out at point blank range then. Or assaulting trenches.
They're in heavy use. Where they aren't in use more Ukrainians die because they've got to substitute with lighter vehicles.
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