Ukraine, Light At the End Of The Tunnel, THE END GAME

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nuclear armed subs are at sea and probably have been since this caper started

Some always are as nukes are carried around the country from time to time. ;) At least we don't have to fetch them from a USA base any more.
 
An independently monitored referendum in the disputed areas that showed a pro Ukraine majority would have destroyed Putins claims as nothing more than propaganda.

Actually there is some doubt about that given footage from a few places in the east before things kicked off. Like Crimea though even if correct some would not accept it.

The initial take over of various places and the changes also indicate that there may have been. There were riots all over the place. The adoption of Russian also showed similar but the act was rescinded late on. What happened is of more interest to me than Russia interfering in some way and also doing certain things. Those are facts of life. They do these things. Just like the USA deciding some one other than the apparent winner of an election in Venezuela didn't and said some one else did. They may be correct but this is what they did. Hence an embargo on them. Said to have the biggest oil reserves in the world. The Arab states may like releasing oil at a rate that suites their reserves. It sets how long they will last. Price probably figures too.

Putin's brexit. USA brexit and maybe others - mild cyberwarfare on mass media does go on and many outfits with specific aims use it too even to get elected or swing opinions.
 
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I said what the headline stated
How do you know they are at sea for months and how do you know they had the nukes on them?
Our aircraft carriers were going around without fighter jets.
Thanks

The UK's only nuclear deterrent is the Trident missile system carried by the Vanguard class of submarine.
There is always one submarine with a complement of ballistic missiles at sea on duty patrol.
 
Very sad that you are reduced to telling lies.
You have stated you think its wrong that schools in Ukraine should want to teach Ukrainian as a first language

Ive not lied, you just dont like having the truth point out
 
Actually there is some doubt about that given footage from a few places in the east before things kicked off. Like Crimea though even if correct some would not accept it.

The initial take over of various places and the changes also indicate that there may have been. There were riots all over the place. The adoption of Russian also showed similar but the act was rescinded late on. What happened is of more interest to me than Russia interfering in some way and also doing certain things. Those are facts of life. They do these things. Just like the USA deciding some one other than the apparent winner of an election in Venezuela didn't and said some one else did. They may be correct but this is what they did. Hence an embargo on them. Said to have the biggest oil reserves in the world. The Arab states may like releasing oil at a rate that suites their reserves. It sets how long they will last. Price probably figures too.

Putin's brexit. USA brexit and maybe others - mild cyberwarfare on mass media does go on and many outfits with specific aims use it too even to get elected or swing opinions.
Apparently people saying they like Nigel Farage or they were unhappy the level of illegal immigration, are now regarded as sort of Russian loving subversive.
Apparently people didn't really vote for Brexit because of EU interference in UK affairs or mass immigration from the EU, no, they all voted for Brexit because they became brainwashed by reading too much crap from "Russian Bots" on facebook and twitter.
Pathetic
 
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You have stated you think its wrong that schools in Ukraine should want to teach Ukrainian as a first language

Ive not lied, you just dont like having the truth point out
I didn't says its wrong to teach Ukrainian to Ukranians.
Its wrong to force other ethnic groups to speak a language other than their own.
Russian speakers history in Ukraine predates by centuries the creation of modern Ukraine, so therefor they can't be considered as some sort of alien group who have to adapt to culture of the country they live in.
It isn't only Russians who are being targeted for what could be described as cultural and linguistic genocide.
Romanians and Hungerians are also on the list, so much so, that the Hungerian government has threatened to block any application for EU membership by Ukraine.

https://freedomhouse.org/article/ukraines-education-law-may-needlessly-harm-european-aspirations
Read the link and educate yourself.
 
You have stated you think its wrong that schools in Ukraine should want to teach Ukrainian as a first language
They didn't. They do want all Ukrainians to be able to speak or at least understand the language which is spoken in central and eastern Ukraine. Ukrainian speakers are generally fluent in Russian, but that is s one way street. This is in some ways comparable to say, Belgium where the government want Flemish speakers to learn French (they do) and the French speakers to learn Flemish (most don't think they need to because the Flemish speakers all speak French...)

BTW Zelensky is a Russian speaker, but he is also fluent in Ukrainian
 
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