Ukraine, Light At the End Of The Tunnel, THE END GAME

[bernardgreen]

https://freedomhouse.org/article/ukraines-education-law-may-needlessly-harm-european-aspirations
Read the link and educate yourself.

I just read it and it seems to me that the content does not support your opinion.

 

[Deleted member 174758]

Russian speakers history in Ukraine predates by centuries the creation of modern Ukraine, so therefor they can't be considered as some sort of alien group who have to adapt to culture of the country they live in.

And what about the Turkomen, Armenians, Greeks and Tatars who were all deported from thd Ukraine and replaced by ethnic Russians? Or the Ukrainians who were also deported snd replaced by ethnic Russians? Of course, that doesn'ty count as a wrong in your book

 

[Deleted member 174758]

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[Notch7]

Read the link and educate yourself

I have, you need to read it again and understand the full picture

please educate yourself with this article:


How Russia weaponizes the language issue in Ukraine

Ukraine’s long struggle for statehood has been mirrored by the often troubled fate of the Ukrainian language. Oppressed and marginalized throughout the Czarist and Soviet eras, Ukrainian finally shed its second-class status in 1991 to become the official state language of newly independent Ukraine



Ukraine knows from decades of painful experience that the language issue ranks among Russia’s favorite destabilization tools. There are growing indications that the country’s Kremlin-friendly forces are once again preparing to use it as a rallying cry. Putin’s closest personal ally in Ukraine, opposition leader Viktor Medvedchuk, recently published an op-ed calling for an end to “forced Ukrainization” and “anti-Russian hysteria” while arguing that greater rights for Russian-speaking Ukrainians could play a decisive role in winning back the largely Russian-speaking population of Kremlin-occupied eastern Ukraine.

Medvedchuk’s arguments may seem persuasive to President Zelenskyy as he struggles to make good on his election promises of bringing peace and national unity to the country. However, any concessions that boost the Russian language at the expense of Ukrainian would pose a very real threat to the country’s future sovereignty.



https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blo...is-the-only-winner-of-ukraines-language-wars/

 

[Notch7]

Read the link and educate yourself.

I think its you that needs educating

let me help you with some key points from the article YOU are basing your argument on:

1) the current level of Ukrainian-language instruction in minority schools hampered students’ education and career prospects.

2) kindergartens and elementary schools will remain free to instruct children in the minority language of their choice

3) As students enter secondary schooling—typically at age 10—the language of instruction will shift to Ukrainian, with minority languages continuing to be taught as separate classes

4) If the minority language is a European Union (EU) language, as most are, additional classes will be offered in that language through high school.

5) according to Education Minister Liliya Hrynevych, the new law “is in the best interest of children,” and will provide opportunities for integrating into the Ukrainian community.

 

[Vinty]

How Russia weaponizes the language issue in Ukraine

It isn't only Russian speakers who are complaining, Hungary and Romania will block Ukraines accession to the EU if they don't reform.
Ukraine is not a monoethnic state, it never has been.
It was cobbled together from other parts of eastern Europe.

 

[The Samaritan]

If I may interject with more facts!!!

The Russian language was set in some schools' curriculums, fact. The leaders of Ukraine removed the right, fact!!!
The Russian language was also, not 100% cert about this was phased out of public buildings/settings.

There were other issues that you can Google.

Just imagine and God forbid if in NI they spoke different languages!!!!

 

[Notch7]

The Russian language was set in some schools' curriculums, fact. The leaders of Ukraine removed the right, fact!!!

it is still there: FACT

 

[transam]

Well looks like people are still going on about what supposedly

started this war or caused the Russians to start bombing the s*** out of the Ukraine

so it’s the EU
Brexit
Russian language
Nazis
Nato
Joe stalin
Those who voted brexit
Trump
The UK
U.S.A

jeez us wept

 

[Vinty]

However, any concessions that boost the Russian language at the expense of Ukrainian would pose a very real threat to the country’s future sovereignty

You still don't get it, do you.
Ukraine is not a single nation.

Quote.

Stalin cobbled together the eastern provinces with the rest of Ukraine, even though the two populations had little identity in common. There has been an incipient civil war between the two populations for decades, which has become an internationalised civil war.

Ever since the 2014 coup against the Russia-friendly Yanukovych government, the later governments – drawing their support mainly from the Catholic culture of the west – have tried to suppress the Russian language and religion, fuelling the separatist sentiment in the east – which Putin has been exploiting. In the days immediately following the collapse of the Yanukovych government the legislature began to de-legitimise all markers of Russian identity – de-legitimise the identity of 20-40 percent of the Ukrainian population (the figures are disputed). Imagine their fear. The great majority of those of Russian culture also see themselves as Ukrainians and proud of it, or did until the Kyiv government moved against them.

To be more precise, on 23 February 2014, the day after Yanukovych fled, the first act of the Ukrainian parliament was to revoke the legal status of Russian as a national language, and prevent regions from allowing the use of any other language than Ukrainian. The government set about blocking access to Russian news, TV channels and radio. These were aggressive suppressive acts towards a large minority. All through the next months, the Kyiv government and the broadcast media and large sections of the population chanted the motto “One Nation, One Language, One People”. It is easy to understand why the many millions of Russian speakers felt under envenomed siege; and felt assured by support from the powerful state on their doorstep.

The fact that language legislation was then not put into law did not suddenly “make everything right again”. The efforts to marginalise Russian speakers continued. One has to remember that Stalin cobbled together the eastern provinces with the rest of Ukraine, even though the two populations had little identity in common. There has been an incipient civil war between the two populations for decades, which has become an internationalised civil war. This fundamental point is ignored in almost all the mainstream coverage in Western media and politics, where Ukraine is presented as a unified entity, not just a state but a nation, which it is not. Very little attention has been given to the situation and views of Ukrainians of Russian cultural identity.

The fourth pillar of a diplomatic solution therefore has to be: constitutional guarantees of Russian as a second national language. And, longer term, a constitutional change from the present unitary central government to a federal one with elected chief executives in each province, as in the United States; and some form of consociationalism with enforced power sharing and right of mutual veto (for example, on matters of foreign treaties and alliances).

Note: This article gives the views of the author, not the position of EUROPP – European Politics and Policy or the London School of Economics. Featured image credit: European Council


About the author

Robert H. Wade
Robert H. Wade is Professor of Global Political Economy at the London School of Economics.

Posted In: EU Foreign Affairs | Politics | Russia-Ukraine War
14 Comments.

 

[JohnD]

I see vinty is still trying to find excuses for Putin's invasion and war and his attempts to occupy and annexe another country.

 

[The Samaritan]

Incredible how some don't want the killings to stop and unable to accept the talks/comprises as the road to a ceasefire even when we all know putin will keep the parts of the Ukrain as stated by me and possibly a bit more.

 

[Notch7]

Incredible how some don't want the killings to stop

yes, why doesnt Putin want the killings to stop

 

[ajohn]

How Russia weaponizes the language issue in Ukraine

Grow up and stop quoting stuff that has been dreamed up or say both sides weaponise a language. One will say the same as the other.

Anyway it seems talks are stalled. Mariupol is now down to street fighting. It seems the UN will be considering ways of keeping diplo talks open.

The final deal seems to involve some USA - Russia agreement as well, NATO related plus the Ukraine aspect. Those as would be expected. if agreed with Ukraine what about the rest - USA for instance.

The previous president of Ukraine was on fully kitted up in military gear. He has a 5 point plan. Including a Marshall plan type aspect. The rest was more or less come and join us,

So it continues for no one knows how long.

 

[The Samaritan]

Sadly this poster aka notch7 has been attacking poster they disagree with and then quoting posts out of context but it still does not work for this poster.

Sensible people want a ceasefire and all sensible poeple are aware comprimises will have to be made on both sides. All sensible people are aware there was an 8 year long conflict in the Donbas region. All sensible people are aware that outside influences brought about a change of power in the Ukraine as did in the Crimea.

no one wants to give up their land and most want putin removed and/or dead but who/what comes in next. What about a sustained peace there will have to be a lot of mutual repsct.

i'm advocating as done before UN peacekeepers from poss Turkey and India for reasons many will be aware of.