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[JonathanM]

I’m just pointing out your bias, both Motorbiking and Noseall have been arguing this equally, but you chose to criticise one side…..that’s all I’m saying.

Yesterday, I suggested you all stop and that whoever went first would win the moral high ground.

It's been four against one and I usually have an unconscious bias towards the one in these situations.

There have been many occasions when I have argued against MBK's position. Just look at the recent threads on Right to Buy. I am an equal opportunities arguer.

 

[Notch7]

You really want to say it takes five minutes to make that assessment?

Okay.

Teenage girl has sex, was drunk, next day thinks “it’ll be ok”, has panic a few weeks later when period not come, goes to doctor.

How much is there to discuss for the Dr?

The Dr has a big long list of patients, including cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc…..how much time do you think he should give to the girl?

 

[Notch7]

The age standardised abortion rate per 1,000 women aged 15 to 44, England and Wales from 1969 to 2021 has risen to record heights because the law has made it simpler to find a medical opinion to administer a procedure under the broad ruling of 'mental stress'.

Is there causation?

redress this problem

Is it a problem?

I would argue the world can only support upto around 11 billion people, so abortion plays a useful role in stopping additional babies that the mothers don’t want at that time in their life.

 

[blup]

I have absolutely no idea what that is supposed to mean!

In what way were you "held to account". Do you simply mean that other posters challenged you?

Both threads had a process of mutual challenge.

 

[Odds]

Teenage girl has sex, was drunk, next day thinks “it’ll be ok”, has panic a few weeks later when period not come, goes to doctor.

How much is there to discuss for the Dr?

The Dr has a big long list of patients, including cancer, heart disease, diabetes etc…..how much time do you think he should give to the girl?

I think he should give careful consideration to more than just one aspect to a pregnancy: is the Doctor a Christian? his outlook will affect the opinion. He is considering the potential life of a human being.

 

[Odds]

Is there causation?

the graph suggests there is.

Is it a problem?

In the eyes of religious groups, yes.

I would argue the world can only support upto around 11 billion people,

Are you aware of the theories of Pierre de Chardin?

 

[JonathanM]

The vast majority of people don’t read statutes and case law to understand their rights. I suspect attitudes to abortion are things that evolve slowly.

Just my opinion however.

I've found a graph now. The 1991 changes had zero impact on the number of abortions. All they did was clarify the term limit for mental health etc. ground abortions.

 

[blup]

If you are correct, bearing in mind the mental health ground is used for 98% of abortions, surely we would have seen an absolutely enormous spike in abortions after 1991.

No, because there was always de facto abortion on demand, the 24 week rule change was a timely opportunity to give doctors full protection after the 1987 ruling.

 

[JonathanM]

No, because there was always de facto abortion on demand, the 24 week rule change was a timely opportunity to give doctors full protection after the 1987 ruling.

That is exactly what I have been saying for days now.

 

[Odds]

I've found a graph now. The 1991 changes had zero impact on the number of abortions. All they did was clarify the term limit for mental health etc. ground abortions.

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I literally just posted that - Are you taking the pi$$?

 

[Notch7]

I think he should give careful consideration to more than just one aspect to a pregnancy: is the Doctor a Christian? his outlook will affect the opinion. He is considering the potential life of a human being.

Doctors are not allowed to make a moral judgement

how do you think the law would work if they were allowed that?

'Conscientious objection': when doctors' beliefs are a barrier to abortion

As a report highlights the ruinous impact of denying abortion, two medics offer opposing views on the role of personal belief

www.theguardian.com

Im not sure Christians have any moral superiority to make judgements....Catholic priests springs to mind

 

[JonathanM]

I literally just posted that - Are you taking the pi$$?

No, just coincidence!

 

[Odds]

No, just coincidence!

a bit of a Bloomer, you might say.

 

[Notch7]

the graph suggests there is.

the graph shows association, it doesnt prove causation

In the eyes of religious groups, yes

that is a group which follows beliefs not facts

Ive nothing against that, but we shouldnt let religious fundamentalism get in the way of womens health

Are you aware of the theories of Pierre de Chardin?

no

 

[Odds]

Doctors are not allowed to make a moral judgement

how do you think the law would work if they were allowed that?

'Conscientious objection': when doctors' beliefs are a barrier to abortion

As a report highlights the ruinous impact of denying abortion, two medics offer opposing views on the role of personal belief

www.theguardian.com

Im not sure Christians have any moral superiority to make judgements....Catholic priests springs to mind

The moral objection remains valid in their eyes, regardless of the actions of some priests in the past - do not make the mistake of conflating the two issues.