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noseall said:
That is copied/pasted text and refers to the two doctors (UK) thing.
It reaffirms that you were wrong.
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you didn't provide your source so we have no clue that its from somewhere else. hence when you post that 2 doctors must approve for it to be legal - we can only assume its your view.

Are you now saying that you understand that the approval of 2 doctors is not a requirement?

Again - what is it you'd like to change about the UK setup?
 
Thats strange - why does it not mention anything about their approval, nor does the declaration say anything about their approval and neither does the abortion act.

In fact Form HSA1 has the following declaration

This certificate of opinion is given before the commencement of the treatment for the termination of pregnancy
to which it refers and relates to the circumstances of the pregnant woman's individual case.
 
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noseall said:
In March 2023, findings from SACHA, the largest study abortion to be carried out in the UK at that point,[82] which was funded by the NHS, called for nurses and midwives to be included in the medical staff allowed to approve abortions[83] and that abortion services should be incorporated into local sexual and reproductive health services. The study also identified that almost a fifth of healthcare workers were unaware that abortion was still a criminal offence unless it was signed off by doctors.
From the WIKI page



An abortion is only legal when performed by a licensed medical professional and has been signed off by two independent doctors.
From another source



Abortions can take place in the first 24 weeks of pregnancy in England, Scotland and Wales.
However, they have to be approved by two doctors. They must agree having the baby would pose a greater risk to the physical or mental health of the woman than a termination.
From the BBC page



Most abortions in England, Wales, and Scotland are carried out before 24 weeks with permission from two registered doctors. In reality, most doctors leave a two-week margin for error and rarely go beyond 22 weeks. If a person is less than 10 weeks pregnant, they may be able to have a medical termination at home, rather than going to a hospital or clinic. After 10 weeks of pregnancy, a health professional or abortion provider can discuss options.

In order for an abortion to be legal, the medical practitioners must be acting in good faith - not negligent or dishonest when forming their opinion - and agree on one, or more, of the following grounds:
From another source.

Under the Abortion Act, a pregnancy can be lawfully terminated by a registered medical practitioner in an NHS hospital or premises approved for this purpose, if two medical practitioners are of the opinion, formed in good faith:
British Medical Association

Abortion legislation 7. The Offences Against the Person Act 1861 makes it a criminal offence to intentionally unlawfully procure a miscarriage, including for a woman to procure her own miscarriage. The Infant Life (Preservation) Act 1929 makes it an offence to intentionally kill a child, capable of being born alive, before it has a life independent of its mother. The Abortion Act creates exceptions to these offences in certain limited circumstances. 8. The Abortion Act makes abortion legal where the pregnancy is terminated by an RMPand, except in emergencies, where two RMPs are of the opinion formed in good faith that one of the lawful grounds specified in the Act are met.Forming an opinion in good faith9. If there is evidence that either certifying doctor has not formed their opinion in good faith then the doctor performing the termination is not protected by section 1(1) of the Abortion Act and has potentially committed a criminal offence by terminating the pregnancy. It is also possible that the doctor could be acting contrary to their professional duties.10. Practices have come to light recently which call into question whether doctors have acted in accordance with their legal obligations under the Abortion Act. These practices include the signing of HSA1 forms by doctors before a woman has been referred, and doctors signing forms relying solely on decisions made about the woman in question by other doctors or members of the multi-disciplinary team without any other information
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motorbiking said:
Thats strange - why does it not mention anything about their approval, nor does the declaration say anything about their approval and neither does the abortion act.

In fact Form HSA1 has the following declaration

This certificate of opinion is given before the commencement of the treatment for the termination of pregnancy
to which it refers and relates to the circumstances of the pregnant woman's individual case.
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Yes it does.

Form HSA1 says:


“We hereby certify, that we are of the opinion, formed in good faith, in this case:…..”

Signing the form is a statement of approval.

Nobody is saying the doctors are giving moral approval, only medical and legal
 
motorbiking said:
Thats strange - why does it not mention anything about their approval, nor does the declaration say anything about their approval and neither does the abortion act.

In fact Form HSA1 has the following declaration

This certificate of opinion is given before the commencement of the treatment for the termination of pregnancy
to which it refers and relates to the circumstances of the pregnant woman's individual case.
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Of course it's the doctors opinion.
He still has to DECLARE it on a HSA1 form.
It is illegal for an abortion to proceed without this.
 
Notch7 said:
Yes it does.

Form HSA1 says:


“We hereby certify, that we are of the opinion, formed in good faith, in this case:…..”

Signing the form is a statement of approval.

Nobody is saying the doctors are giving moral approval, only medical and legal
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It's not an approval.

Do you want to keep going.
 
What if, in the doctors' opinion, the conditions in 1 a, b, c, or d are not satisfied?
 
jeez Denso - give a guy a chance to type
denso13 said:
What if, in the doctors' opinion, the conditions in 1 a, b, c, or d are not satisfied?
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For example?

term obviously exceeds 24 weeks (and no other grounds)- then they cannot perform the abortion legally
risk of abortion is greater than going full term - you'll have to elaborate, because as I have already said. there is no minimum criteria and its a fact all things being equal that abortion is less risk than labour/giving birth
 
motorbiking said:
So not an approval then - Agree?
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I'm not going to argue semantics.

What I stated still stands I.e the it is illegal for an abortion to proceed without the consent... approval... validation...nod...sign off....warrant....go ahead....say so...

....of two doctors. Their consent is put onto a HSA1 form.
 
motorbiking said:
jeez Denso - give a guy a chance to type

For example?

term obviously exceeds 24 weeks (and no other grounds)- then they cannot perform the abortion legally
risk of abortion is greater than going full term - you'll have to elaborate, because as I have already said. there is no minimum criteria and its a fact all things being equal that abortion is less risk than labour/giving birth
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You don't need to spin it out. What if doctors' find the conditions in 1 a, b, c or d are not satisfied? For whatever reason.
 
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