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[denso13]

Why don't you want to give an example?

Why is an example necessary? I said "for whatever reason".

 

[motorbiking]

because we cannot apply the test without one.

 

[Notch7]

It's not an approval.

Do you want to keep going.

By signing form HSA1 they are giving their approval that the abortion complies legally and medically.

Yes it is an approval

Collins dictionary: “Approval is a formal or official statement that something is acceptable.”

Signing firm HSA1 is an official statement that the abortion is acceptable within medical and legal criteria


You are welcome to expand on what you think approval means in this context

 

[denso13]

because we cannot apply the test without one.

Ok, I'll play your game. If two doctors are of the following opinion, formed in good faith, what happens?

(a) the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week but that the continuance of the pregnancy would not involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family

(b) the termination is not necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman

(c) the continuance of the pregnancy would not involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated

(d) there is not a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped

 

[motorbiking]

Ok, I'll play your game. If two doctors are of the following opinion, formed in good faith, what happens?

(a) the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week but that the continuance of the pregnancy would not involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family

(b) the termination is not necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman

(c) the continuance of the pregnancy would not involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated

(d) there is not a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped

Yes I understand the text, you copied from the act. - where is your example?
Is your hypothetical woman more than 24 weeks gone or less?

By signing form HSA1 they are giving their approval that the abortion complies legally and medically.

Yes it is an approval

Collins dictionary: “Approval is a formal or official statement that something is acceptable.”

Signing firm HSA1 is an official statement that the abortion is acceptable within medical and legal criteria


You are welcome to expand on what you think approval means in this context

Certainly..
Read Sec 1.3 it talks about where an abortion can take place what approvals are required. It specifically uses the work approval, because.... an approval is required.

Now look at section 1 in either the original act or the latest version - where can you see the word approval in any part of the text relating to doctors oversight? There is none, because they are not there to approve the request.

 

[motorbiking]

I'm not going to argue semantics.

What I stated still stands I.e the it is illegal for an abortion to proceed without the consent... approval... validation...nod...sign off....warrant....go ahead....say so...

....of two doctors. Their consent is put onto a HSA1 form.

its not semantics, they all have different meaning. Consent and approval do not mean validation or warrant or go head.

An example - a building control officer signs off your build and you validate that he done so for you client. Does that mean you can sign off the build instead of the officer?

 

[denso13]

Yes I understand the text, you copied from the act. - where is your example?

You are deliberately avoiding the question. It is plain to see that doctor's either approve the procedure, or not.

 

[motorbiking]

and of course if it was a requirement the act would say so wouldn't it, particularly since other parts of the act refer to approvals. Do you think they made a mistype?

But the reason you don't want to provide an example is because you know its going to finish your argument.

 

[denso13]

and of course if it was a requirement the act would say so wouldn't it

It is clear what it means, yes or no, approval or not.

Do you think they made a mistype?

I doubt it.

 

[denso13]

But the reason you don't want to provide an example is because you know its going to finish your argument.

I've given you a detailed example. But the obvious answer would finish your argument.

 

[motorbiking]

Where ?

You understand the difference between giving an opinion and an approval?

 

[Notch7]

Certainly..
Read Sec 1.3 it talks about where an abortion can take place what approvals are required. It specifically uses the work approval, because.... an approval is required.

Now look at section 1 in either the original act or the latest version - where can you see the word approval in any part of the text relating to doctors oversight? There is none, because they are not there to approve the request.

So you are saying they sign the form because they don’t approve.

Well, it’s a view…..

 

[motorbiking]

To demonstrate that an opinion has been formed “in good faith” does not require that the authorisation of an abortion be the right course of action, simply that the doctor has not been dishonest or negligent in forming the opinion.

Agree Yes/No

There is no legal requirement for either doctor to personally examine a woman seeking termination.

Agree Yes/No

 

[denso13]

I've given you a detailed example.

I'll add more detail...

Two doctors examine Margaret, a 24 year old from Durham. She already has two healthy children with her husband Derek, a 27 year old motor mechanic.

On conclusion they are of the following opinion, formed in good faith. What happens then?

(a) the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week but that the continuance of the pregnancy would not involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated, of injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman or any existing children of her family

(b) the termination is not necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman

(c) the continuance of the pregnancy would not involve risk to the life of the pregnant woman, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated

(d) there is not a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped

 

[Notch7]

Where ?

You understand the difference between giving an opinion and an approval?

Conflation

The opinion is not of the same subject