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[motorbiking]

It's the only Subject. because that is all they are required to do. They sign-off that they have the opinion in good faith that the termination is lawful. It doesn't actually have to be lawful by the way. They just have to have the opinion. For example if it subsequently turned out that the baby was 28 weeks gone etc.

@denso13 is Margaret Pregnant - if so how far gone is she? Is there anything seriously wrong with her baby? Is there anything wrong with her that puts her at serious risk if she continues to term her pregnancy? is there any reason to believe that she is susceptible to complications from an abortion that pose more risk than going full term?

You see why an example helps?

 

[noseall]

Where ?

You understand the difference between giving an opinion and an approval?

They are providing both.

 

[denso13]

if so how far gone is she?

the pregnancy has not exceeded its twenty-fourth week

Is there anything seriously wrong with her baby?

there is not a substantial risk that if the child were born it would suffer from such physical or mental abnormalities as to be seriously handicapped

Is there anything wrong with her that puts her at serious risk if she continues to term her pregnancy?

the termination is not necessary to prevent grave permanent injury to the physical or mental health of the pregnant woman

is there any reason to believe that she is susceptible to complications from an abortion that pose more risk than going full term?

the continuance of the pregnancy would not involve risk, greater than if the pregnancy were terminated

You see why an example helps?

And you cannot see that I have already given you one?

 

[denso13]

They sign-off that they have the opinion in good faith that the termination is lawful

And they could have the opinion that is unlawful. Yes or no, approval to proceed or not.

 

[JonathanM]

On conclusion they are of the following opinion, formed in good faith. What happens then?

The doctor doesn't fill in and sign the form. Unless I am misunderstanding one of the "nots".

 

[denso13]

The doctor doesn't sign the form.

Then the termination would be illegal. If that isn't a form of approval/disapproval I don't know what is.

 

[noseall]

Then the termination would be illegal. If that isn't a form of approval/disapproval I don't know what is.

MBK is being a backpeddling dick.

 

[motorbiking]

And you cannot see that I have already given you one?

Of course you haven't. You've just quoted the text from the act.

 

[motorbiking]

MBK is being a backpeddling dick.

"not arguing semantics" translates to ok you got me I was wrong. Now you are just sore about being made to look a fool.

We still don't know what you want to change about the UK setup? Do you know?

 

[motorbiking]

Then the termination would be illegal. If that isn't a form of approval/disapproval I don't know what is.

They aren't approving anything. They can approve or disapprove as much as they like. It's entirely irrelevant under the abortion act.

From the BMA code of practice:

To demonstrate that an opinion has been formed “in good faith” does not require that the authorisation of an abortion be the right course of action, simply that the doctor has not been dishonest or negligent in forming the opinion that it is.

Are they wrong - you seem to think so,

 

[JonathanM]

They aren't approving anything. They can approve or disapprove as much as they like. It's entirely irrelevant under the abortion act.

From the BMA code of practice:

To demonstrate that an opinion has been formed “in good faith” does not require that the authorisation of an abortion be the right course of action, simply that the doctor has not been dishonest or negligent in forming the opinion that it is.

Are they wrong - you seem to think so,

What about the word "authorise" rather than "approve".

 

[noseall]

What about the word "authorise" rather than "approve".

It matters not to whom ever it applies. As long as the woman knows she needs authorisation from two doctors for the abortion to be legal. MBK just did not know the law on this and is why he is furiously back-peddling now with childish semantics.

 

[noseall]

Then the termination would be illegal. If that isn't a form of approval/disapproval I don't know what is.

Once the HSA1 form is filled in and signed then the abortion is approved. It can not go ahead until then - i.e. it would be illegal.

 

[noseall]

So you think a woman asks for an abortion because she doesn’t want to be a mum and two doctors assess her to decide if that’s a valid reason ?

Their assessment is entirely limited to the risks of the procedure and to determine if the pregnancy is beyond 24 weeks.

I’ve shown you the guidelines, the actual law (not glamour magazines version) and the NHS web page. None of it says you seek approval for the abortion and 2 doctors asses if your reason is valid. Their scope is entirely limited to the risk of the procedure, the time limit. and they are duty bound to act in good faith.

Clueless, Lol.

I bet you have never heard of a HSA1 form, have you boyo.

 

[Notch7]

Where ?

You understand the difference between giving an opinion and an approval?

The opinion is whether the doctors consider the case complies with the law.

When they sign, they are giving approval that it meets legal and medical thresholds