Vive La France!

[Notch7]

I was right, you can get an abortion under 24 weeks. There’s no issue currently

Non sequitur

Just because the current law allows abortion currently, does not mean there is not a problem.

Oh gosh, there is a problem:

“That US Christian right and anti-abortion groups are establishing bases in the UK means that the issue of abortion – and related sexual and reproductive rights – will become increasingly contested in public debate and at a political level”

‘If we can do it, you can do it’: US anti-abortion groups ramp up activities in UK

Emboldened by victories at home, some of the most prominent American anti-abortion groups are exporting their tactics overseas

www.theguardian.com

 

[Deleted member 221031]

Non sequitur

Just because the current law allows abortion currently, does not mean there is not a problem.

Oh gosh, there is a problem:

“That US Christian right and anti-abortion groups are establishing bases in the UK means that the issue of abortion – and related sexual and reproductive rights – will become increasingly contested in public debate and at a political level”

‘If we can do it, you can do it’: US anti-abortion groups ramp up activities in UK

Emboldened by victories at home, some of the most prominent American anti-abortion groups are exporting their tactics overseas

www.theguardian.com

There isn’t currently a problem.

Get a grip ffs.

 

[JonathanM]

Infamously, before we invaded Iraq in 2003, the Attorney General had to give a legal opinion that these actions would be legal.

Is that the same as him approving the war? Or did the Prime Minister approve the war? What I am getting at, is it possible to separate out the opinion from the action?

 

[ajohn]

The largest increases in abortion rates by age are among women aged 30 to 34 which have increased from 17.2 per 1,000 in 2011 to 22.1 per 1,000 in 2021.

Abortion statistics, England and Wales: 2021

www.gov.uk

The link starts with a list of key events. I suspect late term abortions will generally only happen for rather specific reasons such as genetic testing and other indications that either the mother or baby are likely to have complications. The main reasons for the UK's longer period where abortion is legal. 12 weeks is too short in this respect.

One event. Suppose it saves the NHS a bit

March 2022	On 30 March 2022, Parliament voted in favour of an amendment to the Health and Care Bill, making the temporary approval allowing home use of both pills for early medical abortions permanent in England and Wales. These provisions will supersede the arrangements made permanent in Wales in February 2022.

There is a rise in anti abortion campaigning with financial support in this country.

There are a number of factors mentioned here. MP and other related

MPs asked to remove legal protections against late-term abortion

The move comes despite new government data this month exposing the risks that later-term abortions pose to women’s health.

adfinternational.org

I find the comments about abortion by post interesting. My view on that going on the comments is medical supervision of some sort is still needed and lack can distort the other aspects mentioned.

 

[Notch7]

There isn’t currently a problem.

Get a grip ffs.

Try and calm yourself down, have a nice soothing cup of tea, there’s a good chap


Ps: There was no problem in America until there was a problem.

 

[blup]

Infamously, before we invaded Iraq in 2003, the Attorney General had to give a legal opinion that these actions would be legal.

Is that the same as him approving the war? Or did the Prime Minister approve the war? What I am getting at, is it possible to separate out the opinion from the action?

That opinion was sought by the head of the armed forces who didn’t want to be prosecuted in the internal court for an illegal war. The AG’s opinion was just that, the courts made it clear they didn’t have jurisdiction. So solely down to bluar and his henchmen

 

[Deleted member 221031]

Try and calm yourself down, have a nice soothing cup of tea, there’s a good chap


Ps: There was no problem in America until there was a problem.

I don’t do stress. I’m having a pint in your favourite chain of pubs.

Currently we all have stone island and cp on, taking about RW things and planing a pointless march about the boat people.

I hope there’s none of that EU muck being served! God help them if they do…..

 

[noseall]

Just because the current law allows abortion currently, does not mean there is not a problem.

Oh gosh, there is a problem:

“That US Christian right and anti-abortion groups are establishing bases in the UK means that the issue of abortion – and related sexual and reproductive rights – will become increasingly contested in public debate and at a political level”

When you allow lying right wing idiots like Johnson and Forrige to have a voice in UK politics, then there is always an opportunity for the RWR to flourish.
Only recently, with the USA and them revoking the freedoms that Roe V's Wade brought to women of the US, it has made folk stand up and think about enshrining abortion rights elsewhere in the world. Doctors as well as the women themselves need protection from the idiots.

Vive La France!

 

[motorbiking]

Still no laws quoted referencing the need for doctors, to approve the abortion. I’m sure the forum trolls tried very hard to find some. But they haven’t been able to.

So we are all clear the requirement is for 2 doctors to form the opinion and provide a certificate of that opinion. Giving an opinion is not to approve the abortion.

Thought so

 

[blup]

Interesting case a few years back reported by the tellygraph about gender based termin ations, the dpp said gender is not automatically un lawful reason. How would it affect mothers health etc because child was a particular gender?

 

[Notch7]

Still no laws quoted referencing the need for doctors, to approve the abortion. I’m sure the forum trolls tried very hard to find some. But they haven’t been able to.

So we are all clear the requirement is for 2 doctors to form the opinion and provide a certificate of that opinion. Giving an opinion is not to approve the abortion.

Thought so

Their opinion is the judgement of the legal and medical compliance
Their approval is achieved by signing the form.

Opinion: is a view or judgement formed on something. An opinion is not an action

Approval: is an action to give formal or official sanction to



You are incorrectly trying to mislead by claiming there is only a single step, that is not true, it’s 2 steps: form an opinion, then make approval by signing the form.


The process is 2 steps:

1) 2 doctors must consider if an abortion in their opinion fulfils the legal and medical criteria for an abortion to proceed

2) If the answer to step 1 is yes, then the 2 doctors must approve the abortion by signing the document.

 

[noseall]

Still no laws quoted referencing the need for doctors, to approve the abortion. I’m sure the forum trolls tried very hard to find some. But they haven’t been able to.

So we are all clear the requirement is for 2 doctors to form the opinion and provide a certificate of that opinion. Giving an opinion is not to approve the abortion.

Thought so

Lol.

The Act explicitly asks for two doctors to approve (sign off) the abortion. The fact that you will not accept that is irrelevant. The two doctors approval is not only explicit in the Act it is also criminal offence for an abortion to go ahead without it, or if those two doctors are seen to be acting 'not in good faith'.

The people on this forum can see you were wrong from the outset and you will not accept it. It is also telling. Your irrelevance in accepting the fact is further compounded when solicitors, nurses doctors and midwives also use the word approve, when documenting what needs to be done legally, when granting an abortion.

You are being made to look a fool by your own doing.

 

[noseall]

So we are all clear the requirement is for 2 doctors to form the opinion and provide a certificate of that opinion. Giving an opinion is not to approve the abortion.

Yes, it is. Doctors, nurses, midwives and solicitors think it is. What makes YOU think it isn't? The act of signing and dating the HSA1 form is explicit, legally binding and holds the two doctors responsible. When that declaration is made (after offering their opinion), the abortion is considered approved.
It is most certainly approval, in every aspect of the process. You were wrong boyo and still are. Give it up, you have been made to look a fool.

 

[noseall]

1) 2 doctors must consider if an abortion in their opinion fulfils the legal and medical criteria for an abortion to proceed

2) If the answer to step 1 is yes, then the 2 doctors must approve the abortion by signing the document.

MBK is desperately trying to justify his initial reaction to my post, when I first brought it to his attention (post #432). I doubt he realised it was in the Abortion Act at the time, as he was blathering on about self referral, which is something that happens way before two doctors approve the abortion. He mistakenly believed this could bypass the approval, dunno...?

I guess he's just embarrassed.

 

[motorbiking]

Lol.

The Act explicitly asks for two doctors to approve (sign off) the abortion. The fact that you will not accept that is irrelevant. The two doctors approval is not only explicit in the Act it is also criminal offence for an abortion to go ahead without it, or if those two doctors are seen to be acting 'not in good faith'.

It explicitly states they must approve, does it?

You’ll be able to quote the text in the abortion act then.

Surely that’s not so hard.