Winter fuel allowance

[ajstoneservices]

Killing off pensioners is good for growth

We have more than enough daisy's.

 

[denso13]

If the people living in them who bought them, didn't buy them, they'd still be in them, renting them.

And when they moved on they could be let to someone else. Not now.

 

[Murdochcat]

How's that? Growth actually is rather high at the moment.

Growth ATM has absolutely nothing to do with Labour

 

[carmanmemoranda]

No one seems to want to answer this - what has changed that makes Starmer and his cronies think cutting help or the elderly to heat the homes is now not a very dangerous thing to do, ?
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Winter fuel payment cut could kill 4,000 people, Labour’s own research suggests

Analysis published by Labour in 2017 said plans to means test winter fuel payments would be the ‘single biggest attack on pensioners in a generation’

www.independent.co.uk

Nobody has said its good

Some tough choices need to be made.

See if you can answer why

 

[denso13]

think about it, help with heating for a year for an old age pesioner is about the same as housing a migrant in a nice hotel for one day.

Migrants need it, the vast majority of pensioners don't.

 

[Murdochcat]

Nobody has said its good

Some tough choices need to be made.

See if you can answer why

So cancelling WFP might save £2 billion

And the new applicants for other benefits will cost ?

I don’t think this “saving” will actually save much

 

[denso13]

what has changed

The unknown financial black hole which makes it hard to justify giving Elton and Mick a free taxpayer handout.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

So cancelling WFP might save £2 billion

And the new applicants for other benefits will cost ?

I don’t think this “saving” will actually save much

And the other choice is to carry on as we were.
.I don't think that was what the country wanted.

Got to start somewhere. Fairly safe to say there's going to be more pain.

Now try answering why the pain is needed

 

[denso13]

So cancelling WFP might save £2 billion

And the new applicants for other benefits will cost ?

Benefits to those in need can be easily justified, handouts to most pensioners can't.

 

[denso13]

So rather than people bettering themselves, and moving upwards, you prefer to trap 2 million in crap housing, paying unrelenting rent.

Do I?

There are well over 1 million households on social rent waiting lists. It would be nice if we have houses for them.

 

[ajohn]

Unless you think that the country doesn't "face tough choices".

It's all down to money. Highest personal taxes for a long time yet still not enough. These locked in for 3 years or more. Tory plan that appears to have a hole in it. The country is supposed to run in a certain way and isn't due to underfunding. So increase personal taxes - not ideal as likely to influence GDP as people have less to spend Pay rises tend to have the opposite effect but can cause serious inflationary effects. We have been there in the past. In some ways it was great for car loans and mortgages.

So all that can be done is change how the system works. WFP is one of the benefits where lots of people get it that don't really need it. That isn't new. It's widely known. It would not surprise me if state pensions gets handled in the same way. This area can free up money to help those that really need support or be directed into other areas. The the size of the savings on WFP suggests it's being done to avoid borrowing.

Another money problem that you will be hearing about. An eg. 40% of universities having financial problems. Why. Foriegn students pay £22,000 and the numbers of those has fallen. One gave numbers to achieve a fix. UK students pay £12,500 or the gov ups the 16% they pay. This was one that trained doctors. They have made cut backs to cope but the future still doesn't look solid in this respect. Maintenance loans haven't kept pace with inflation - those should help students from poorer backgrounds.

Pot holes, prisons, fact is there are loads of areas that are underfunded.

 

[carmanmemoranda]

It's all down to money. Highest personal taxes for a long time yet still not enough. These locked in for 3 years or more. Tory plan that appears to have a hole in it. The country is supposed to run in a certain way and isn't due to underfunding. So increase personal taxes - not ideal as likely to influence GDP as people have less to spend Pay rises tend to have the opposite effect but can cause serious inflationary effects. We have been there in the past. In some ways it was great for car loans and mortgages.

So all that can be done is change how the system works. WFP is one of the benefits where lots of people get it that don't really need it. That isn't new. It's widely known. It would not surprise me if state pensions gets handled in the same way. This area can free up money to help those that really need support or be directed into other areas. The the size of the savings on WFP suggests it's being done to avoid borrowing.

Another money problem that you will be hearing about. An eg. 40% of universities having financial problems. Why. Foriegn students pay £22,000 and the numbers of those has fallen. One gave numbers to achieve a fix. UK students pay £12,500 or the gov ups the 16% they pay. This was one that trained doctors. They have made cut backs to cope but the future still doesn't look solid in this respect. Maintenance loans haven't kept pace with inflation - those should help students from poorer backgrounds.

Pot holes, prisons, fact is there are loads of areas that are underfunded.

And none of the right wingers that want to keep spending now, but supported austerity, will answer where all the money went.

 

[noseall]

Forget Brexit, that ship has sailed

The consequences are still with us, as are (some) of the old duffer morons that voted for the garbage.

 

[noseall]

No one seems to want to answer this

Stopping payments to wealthy pensioners won't make a jot of difference.

 

[diy_fun_uk]

No one seems to want to answer this - what has changed that makes Starmer and his cronies think cutting help or the elderly to heat the homes is now not a very dangerous thing to do, ?
View attachment 355081

Winter fuel payment cut could kill 4,000 people, Labour’s own research suggests

Analysis published by Labour in 2017 said plans to means test winter fuel payments would be the ‘single biggest attack on pensioners in a generation’

www.independent.co.uk

On Newsnight last night, Labour were questioned on why this change didn't feature in their manifesto and/or any pre election communications. Their stance is it wasn't planned pre election, however once in power they realised there was a circa £20 billion black hole they didn't know about. So this change to WFP has been introduced to part address that.