Big Numbers today

[Munroast]

think there s some very good medical reasons for cloth face masks too, but they only really protect others from you, if you are asymptomatic it will greatly reduce the spread of any virus aerosol that you emit. So as the wearing of masks is purely an act of selflessness it needs to be compulsory - too many out there who don't give a dam about others for it to be voluntary.

 

[motorbiking]

Not much point if you are two meters away from the next person. But it could make sense for busy places like airports, stations, flights etc.

I’m still hoping to spend some of this summer at least in the med. I’ll be packing some masks for areas where I can’t social distance

 

[JohnD]

Not much point if you are two meters away from the next person.

Unless one of you sneezes.

Or coughs.

What are the early signs of CV?

 

[motorbiking]

The point is, if you are not in close proximity to others wearing a mask may increase your risk as your face covering may get contaminated.

 

[Notch7]

I see people out walking their dogs in our village -wearing a mask. WTF!
-its a quiet village, its possible to keep the width of a road away from anybody, ie 4 metres or so.

 

[SirGalahad]

Bane time!. Time to mask up.

Ios update means you can still keep your mask on and use a passcode!

https://techcrunch.com/2020/04/29/apple-face-id-unlock-mask/

 

[Munroast]

The point is, if you are not in close proximity to others wearing a mask may increase your risk as your face covering may get contaminated.

that is up to the user to use their face covering properly, I would still like to see compulsory masks in supermarkets so as everybody kept there own bodily fluids quite close to themselves. The supermarket is the only risk I must take - currently going in 9:30pm when it is at it's quietest and wearing a p3 half respirator (bought before cv19) - I get very strange looks

 

[Mottie]

I wear this and get looks and comments of admiration and envy.

 

[Munroast]

I'm on the GVS
https://www.screwfix.com/p/gvs-elipse-half-mask-respirator-p3/6922g
excellent mask, been using them for a few years for stone cutting, MDF, etc seem to keep every thing out, supposed t be quiet good for viruses too, (98%)
Havn't changed the filters since xmas, so probably not at their best

see some tw4ts are selling the filters (normally £9) on ebay for £35, should be took outside and shot for profiteering

 

[Munroast]

The UK's sudden counting amendment a few days ago has buggered up my graph, other countries are showing a steady decline, but not as fast a decline than I had hoped for

 

[ajohn]

Not much point if you are two meters away from the next person

There seems to be some doubt about that now in still air.

 

[motorbiking]

The UK's sudden counting amendment a few days ago has buggered up my graph, other countries are showing a steady decline, but not as fast a decline than I had hoped for
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Yep - they have changed the data source, hence my graph no longer makes sense. I have since switched to date of death rather, than date of recording as this genuinely gives you a trend.

A conspiracy theory may be that the government held back the other data until we were on the decline as it would provide 2 benefits. 1. avoid us breaking any records at peak. 2 delay calls for Covid exit while the numbers are still "high".

 

[ajohn]

The Times has added some new info on excess deaths.

https://www.ft.com/coronavirus-latest

The urban area ones are "interesting".

 

[JohnD]

Obesity dangers make Covid-19 a rebuke to unequal societies


"The coronavirus pandemic is turning out to be a reckoning for our persistent failure to address the widening gap between the rich and the poor, writes Camilla Cavendish. That's because those most at risk from the disease turn out not just to be old, as we have repeatedly been told, but disproportionately overweight or obese, with related issues such as type-2 diabetes, kidney problems or hypertension. They have weakened immune systems which often relate to chronic stress from low-income jobs, poor diet and physical inactivity.

A growing body of evidence suggests that the UK and US will fare especially badly in the crisis, Camilla writes. France’s chief epidemiologist has already taken a swipe at the US, warning that Americans are likely to suffer the most from Covid-19 because obesity is “a major risk factor”. Meanwhile Japan has recorded relatively low mortality rates, despite being the world’s oldest society. There are many possible explanations. But Japan has low obesity and its government has an ambitious, successful public health programme."

FT 2 May 2020

 

[ajohn]

On JohnD's point tax spend is spread about the UK via some formulae based on the quotes he posted. Of late the same reasoning could be used in some regions of England. It's a well known fact that moderately higher paid jobs have been disappearing for a long time. Salaried people get a London weighting as it costs more to live there but going on people I have known especially at the lower end of pay scales B'ham is a far better place to live. Then does the national min rate have a London weighting? Why is there also a national minimum living wage. While Labour introduced it for good reason mins have a habit of being max's and it forms a method of controlling the tax take. When introduced the right said can't do that it will result in more unemployment. Rubbish costs just disappear into turnover.

Be interesting to see when those excess deaths peak on the FT page peak and at what %.