Big Numbers today

It will be interesting to see if there's a spike in deaths after the pandemic is over .....

... of people who have been making graphs of daily death totals, and have now found themselves at somewhat of a loose end.....
 
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it would be interesting to see the demographic of the intake. Are we:
- improving survival rates or
- running out of old/vulnerable people

Chances of care homes having run out of people who will die is probably zero. According to the homes it's getting in via carers without any symptoms. Older in the population - about 15m over 65, over 70's told to shield themselves for their own protection.

>= 80 year olds 29.697 cases 12,729 deaths 42%
70 -79 16,599 cases 6.017 deaths 36%
60 -69 13,602 cases 2,837 deaths 21%

Those numbers will change this week. So 58% of 80+ recovered but people who have recovered can be left with severe mobility problems if in for a long time. Any significant time on a ventilator tends to do that.

I haven't got death figures for B'ham but 1m people 2,977 cases and a higher proportion of younger people than any city in Europe.
 
An article in todays Guardian seems to conclude that the poorest countries in Europe have fared much better than the wealthier countries. Difficult to pinpoint why that should be, less inbound air travel? Diet?

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-suffered-less-from-coronavirus-than-the-west

I go to The Czech Republic a lot. The people are a lot more calm, ordered, polite and less selfish. They drink a lot more than us per capita, but you would never know it from the lack of antisocial behaviour, mindless violence and vandalism. The only idiots creating problems at night in Prague are tourists. Scenes of anarchy played out in every British city centre on Friday and Saturday nights are unknown in ordinary non-tourist towns and cities. The police carry guns and big sticks and mean business, but rarely have to use them. Gun ownership is a big thing, but once again, people rarely abuse the privilidge. The population is largely settled and largely indigenous Czech (that's white/Slavic to you pc zealots), especially away from Prague.

The Czechs started their lockdown early and called a state of emergency. The people respected this and rule breaking is both rare and very socially unacceptable. Whenever I visit the country, the sense of a population that pulls together in one direction is very obvious. We encouraged generations of selfish me, me immature idiots in The UK as well as self-contained immigrant populations who often just do their own thing without concern for everyone else.

It's not surprising that countries like CZ follow sensible rules and have very low infection/death rates from Corona.
 
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I go to The Czech Republic a lot. The people are a lot more calm, ordered, polite and less selfish. They drink a lot more than us per capita, but you would never know it from the lack of antisocial behaviour, mindless violence and vandalism. The only idiots creating problems at night in Prague are tourists. Scenes of anarchy played out in every British city centre on Friday and Saturday nights are unknown in ordinary non-tourist towns and cities. The police carry guns and big sticks and mean business, but rarely have to use them. Gun ownership is a big thing, but once again, people rarely abuse the privilidge. The population is largely settled and largely indigenous Czech (that's white/Slavic to you pc zealots), especially away from Prague.

The Czechs started their lockdown early and called a state of emergency. The people respected this and rule breaking is both rare and very socially unacceptable. Whenever I visit the country, the sense of a population that pulls together in one direction is very obvious. We encouraged generations of selfish me, me immature idiots in The UK as well as self-contained immigrant populations who often just do their own thing without concern for everyone else.

It's not surprising that countries like CZ follow sensible rules and have very low infection/death rates from Corona.

We went to Prague, maybe 25 years ago, something like that. What was intended as a week long City break sort of turned into the holiday of a lifetime we loved it that much. What a stunning city, five Irish bars at the time if I recall correctly, not knowing the area well we mistakenly booked a hotel out in the suburbs, but the public transport was that good we never waited more that 10 minutes for a tram and incredibly cheap.
We were there before the film companies discovered it as a location and well before it became 'stag night central', I'd like to go back but I fear it might be a disappointment after that first visit. Sadly, beautiful places become popular and......
 
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I go to The Czech Republic a lot. The people are a lot more calm, ordered, polite and less selfish. They drink a lot more than us per capita, but you would never know it from the lack of antisocial behaviour, mindless violence and vandalism. The only idiots creating problems at night in Prague are tourists. Scenes of anarchy played out in every British city centre on Friday and Saturday nights are unknown in ordinary non-tourist towns and cities. The police carry guns and big sticks and mean business, but rarely have to use them. Gun ownership is a big thing, but once again, people rarely abuse the privilidge. The population is largely settled and largely indigenous Czech (that's white/Slavic to you pc zealots), especially away from Prague.

The Czechs started their lockdown early and called a state of emergency. The people respected this and rule breaking is both rare and very socially unacceptable. Whenever I visit the country, the sense of a population that pulls together in one direction is very obvious. We encouraged generations of selfish me, me immature idiots in The UK as well as self-contained immigrant populations who often just do their own thing without concern for everyone else.

It's not surprising that countries like CZ follow sensible rules and have very low infection/death rates from Corona.
Agree as a frequent traveller to CZ and Switzerland i concur both show far more restraint and respect for the law etc.. but as you say the Police are far more Brutal none of this waving your phone and taunting the police like kids do here, there you get a kicking or worse.
 
We went to Prague, maybe 25 years ago, something like that. What was intended as a week long City break sort of turned into the holiday of a lifetime we loved it that much. What a stunning city, five Irish bars at the time if I recall correctly, not knowing the area well we mistakenly booked a hotel out in the suburbs, but the public transport was that good we never waited more that 10 minutes for a tram and incredibly cheap.
We were there before the film companies discovered it as a location and well before it became 'stag night central', I'd like to go back but I fear it might be a disappointment after that first visit. Sadly, beautiful places become popular and......

I first went to Prague in 1995 too. Have been back at least once a year ever since and visited lots of the country. Back then, 90% of cars were proper Skodas and the historic buildings were falling down. Still great city now, but now very big tourist destination from spring to autumn - out of season winter breaks are ideal. Beer has gone up from 16p pint in 95 to approx £1 now. Stags have moved elsewhere now and the city is very civilised and safe. Says a lot that no area is out of bounds day or night. You would still enjoy it because the pub culture is still there, but best move away from the centre to the local hangouts for better prices and atmosphere. Still great value. Krakow is another good one.
 
I first went to Prague in 1995 too. Have been back at least once a year ever since and visited lots of the country. Back then, 95% of cars were proper Skodas and the historic buildings were falling down. Still great city now, but now very big tourist destination. Beer has gone up from 16p pint in 95 to approx £1 now. Stags have moved elsewhere now and the city is very civilised and safe. Says a lot that no area is out of bounds day or night. You would still enjoy it because the pub culture is still there, but best move away from the centre to the local hangouts for better prices and atmosphere. Still great value. Krakow is another good one.

Are there flights from Exeter?
 
apart from a bit of a come back by the Belgiums, we're nearly top of the table - Boris has done well

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The UK still seems to have had no recoveries in the last four weeks - since before Johnson recovered.

Still 344. Total cases minus deaths and still active.

Perhaps the rest of the figures are equally unreliable.
 
apart from a bit of a come back by the Belgiums, we're nearly top of the table - Boris has done well

Perhaps if other countries were more open about the number of deaths in care homes, you would need to modify your graph.
 
Perhaps if other countries were more open about the number of deaths in care homes, you would need to modify your graph.
I seriously doubt any numbers from any source have any real accuracy. Nobody anywhere has the foggiest idea what is going on. May be half of europe is dead, or may be nobody has died ? I honestly don't know who or what to believe any longer, I'm staying safe and keeping well away from everyone else, wearing a mask and a pirate patch in the supermarket, I'm taking the safe option and believing the BBC, but can we really trust them, I increasingly don't? we live in very strange times.
 
Indeed. All numbers need to be adjusted for population, all numbers need to ensure the same scope and any comparison needs to reflect demographics.

This is media hype. Italy cannot seriously be finger pointing and I doubt they are. Guardianista hunting for opinion to suit a headline.
 
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