Big Numbers today

[ajohn]

Interesting its what we were debating the other night on a group conference. Issuing everyone National IDs tagged to your positive test to Covid antibodies to allow free movement of immune people.

Sanity says everybody buys a mobile phone, leave it on at all times and allow themselves to be tracked. This seems to have been one of Singapore's best weapons. From a web page but they even tracked outside of their country. Having a few months of the data and people can be contact traced. Also a web page where people could register self isolation and I assume progress. That was mentioned as a major factor. Seems they have had ~ 1,400 hospital cases. Population ~5.6 million. Not much info other than this

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:2019–20_coronavirus_pandemic_data/Singapore_medical_cases

There has been several people talking about personal freedom. Worrying about ID's doesn't make much sense really as we all have several that the gov holds. NH numbers for instance. The other one that is probably more wide spread is name, date of birth, house number / name + post code. Actually it makes more sense to have one card with everything on it plus a photo. Passport, driving license and etc. They already have some photo's.

It's also sometimes mentioned that we are the most watched country in the west.

I wonder if we are heading for zero deaths, zero hospital entries and some weeks / something like that. They have launched a web page now but that needs accurate tracking and correct info. Porton Down is aiming to monitor 16 to 20 thousand people to see if they have had it and also how long immunity lasts - probably most interested in the latter.

 

[JohnD]

There has been several people talking about personal freedom. Worrying about ID's doesn't make much sense really as we all have several that the gov holds. NH numbers for instance. The other one that is probably more wide spread is name, date of birth, house number / name + post code.

Your National Insurance number is the unique key used for government watching you.

 

[IT Minion]

Your National Insurance number is the unique key used for government watching you.

It's a unique number but it isn't a single number per person. One person can have multiple NI numbers at once by design.

NI numbers are the closest we have to a unique ID but when you try to use them as a proper ID number it isn't perfect.

 

[Deleted member 18243]

One person can have multiple NI numbers at once by design.

Yes, you can buy them and use them to fraudulently claim state benefits.

 

[Munroast]

Looking at the average deaths per day for the last 7 days per 1 million population
versus days since second death

Spain and Italy are starting to look like they have peaked. Belgium and France are looking very very worrying.
UK is still climbing, bit of hope for Scotland.
Germany must be doing something right.

 

[Mottie]

Germany must be doing something right.

Or using a different reporting method?

 

[motorbiking]

Humans population density is clearly a factor.

 

[durhamplumber]

Humans population density is clearly a factor.

Clearly.

 

[Munroast]

Or using a different reporting method?

I doub't they're hiding their dead. They're just a ruthlessly efficient country that knows how to get the job done. Very fit nation, my broher lives out there, when I come back here I'm shocked at the size many of us have become.

Belgium is a more interesting example, home of the EU, they seem clueless, something is going very wrong there.

On the subject of the EU Commision, they seem very quiet, have they all run away or something?

 

[ajohn]

On the subject of the EU Commision, they seem very quiet, have they all run away or something?

They have said a bit but it's not been reported much. Slight impression that members have gone "nationalistic"

 

[motorbiking]

I think German efficiency is over hyped. Its worth noting, that Greece, Russia, Australia, etc etc. are all reporting less deaths/M than Germany.

 

[FrodoOne]

Looking at the average deaths per day for the last 7 days per 1 million population
versus days since second death

Can you please advise the source of the data shown in your post #95?
While I find https://bing.com/covid?form=msntrk to be of interest, it shows only the "results" to-date and the figures for "recovered" cases are often not shown or are out-of-date!

 

[ajohn]

Germany must be doing something right.

They may be getting people into hospital more quickly. Infection might be localised...................... Without details of what they are doing impossible to say. Given that people may not show symptoms for varying times and still infect people it is hard to see how large number of virus testing helps due to the turn round time. I suppose they could sort people into have it and don't have it but what to do with them?

The UK's death figures are now reckoned to be incorrect as the out of hospital deaths are missing. Forecasting ahead of the current national statistics count from death certificates suggests way out. C4 reported that a women had died while self isolating and then there is the one reported last night - a nurse. Ambulance turned up, told him to self isolate. Family tried again later, no response and he died. How many others ?

Personally as we have limited info really I think hospital entries are the best thing to look at. If for instance it went to zero that really would mean something but only 14 days later. But that still leaves no info at all on had it and didn't need a hospital. Germany's method may provide more info on those eventually but it can't be anything other than a sample. Maybe this is why ours is being ramped up. Germany doing it because they can - useful info for others. One good thing about the scientists is that they are more likely to talk openly across boarders than politicians.

 

[ajohn]

I think German efficiency is over hyped.

In a way it is. It goes back to WWII and helping their economy to recover - buy German it's the best etc. The view has spread out of Germany.

 

[IT Minion]

Without details of what they are doing impossible to say. Given that people may not show symptoms for varying times and still infect people it is hard to see how large number of virus testing helps due to the turn round time. I suppose they could sort people into have it and don't have it but what to do with them?

The chemistry part of it takes less than half an hour. Given enough labs working on it and the required logistics next day or same day is generally possible.

People with it get full medical grade isolation, and monitoring, people without stick to social distancing.