Death penalty

[adlplumbing]

Why? Denied how ?

well a super majority based on an unpopular less than 35% can hardly be described as democratic, coupled with cronyism of the house of lords.

Referendums are bad ideas. We vote in Governments to make tough decisions, its their job, and they have access to much more information than the average person.

That is easy, give people more information. This works in Switzerland

so you want a referendum on a referendum?

eh, how do you work that out?

Not how democracies work.

Democracy is about people having power, at the moment we have a elected dictatorship, well hardly elected, with less than 35% of the vote

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

'a few' that seems awfully careless of you. I lost one schoolmate, hit on his bicycle, another killed when trapped in a fire, all the rest have been due to natural causes and illness.

‘To lose one may be regarded as a misfortune, to lose two looks like carelessness.’
Oscar Wilde

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Drunk Driver she was 7, a street racer he was mid 20s, pushed in front a train he was late 20s

I'm sure we've all lost friends, relatives and acquaintances, but it doesn't drive us to seek revenge.

. The kids who just got killed in southport that was.

You've no way of knowing what he intended to do, or planned.
He was suffering from autism.
In your mind you think that mentally disturbed criminals should be killed, not cured.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

When people have a solution that involves deciding something is “simple” it almost always is not.

Arguing for the death penalty on a basis of retribution is shallow thinking, The death penalty offers the tragic illusion that we can defend life by taking life


Those people who want the death penalty in the U.K., might want to consider that would make the U.K. have something in its constitution that is most common in the Middle East and North Africa

I suggest you check your research.
USA, China, Vietnam, Singapore have and used the death penalty in recent years
After China, USA is 5th in world rankings for use of the death penalty.
Only Egypt, Somalia and South Sudan, Sudan and Botswana are African countries that have used the death penalty in the last 10 years. (Botswana has used the death penalty once in the last five years).
Although 12 maintain the death penalty, only those 5 listed above have used it in the last 10 years. There are a further 14 that permit the use of the death penalty, but have not used it for 10 years.
24 more African countries have completely abolished the death penalty.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

A bit racist saying that's a problem, that they have it theirs, and therefore it is inherently bad.

Notch's comment was also based on inaccurate information.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

90% of women are subjected to female genital mutilation in Egypt.

Is it racist or me to say that’s a problem?
Or is it stating a fact?

If it's an opinion based on inaccurate information, it could be construed as prejudicial.
Your figure on FGM is based on reasonably accurate information (2021).
Is it a problem? The situation is improving.
FGM has been criminalised in Egypt (2008) and FGM has only been supported by 13% of mothers (for their daughters) (2021) compared to 35% (2014).

Your figure on the use of the death penalty wasn't based on accurate information.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

I prefer, to be able to make our own, supported by democratic means, which is denied to us, at the moment.
I like a referendum on the issue, and we go by the majority verdict.
I like the public right to get enough signatures, and force a referendum on any issue, which is compulsory to follow through with.
I like said referendums, subject to being rerun, after 30 years, unless you can prove the result was tainted by misinformation.
Or proof it was a very very bad idea to do, after the fact, which can trigger a re run.
So I say, I like the people to have more power, and Parliament and Politicians to have less power.

Referendums are not the system of government in UK.
The system is representation. We elect someone to represent our ideology in government.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

You said If I criticise Middle East countries for their capital punishment laws I must be racist.

If you base your opinions, and present your arguments on inaccurate information, then you could be accused of making arguments based on prejudice.
Having seen many of your posts, I suspect your argument is based on misunderstanding and lack of research.

 

[adlplumbing]

Referendums are not the system of government in UK.
The system is representation. We elect someone to represent our ideology in government.

hence I want reform, of our political system

 

[adlplumbing]

If you base your opinions, and present your arguments on inaccurate information, then you could be accused of making arguments based on prejudice.
Having seen many of your posts, I suspect your argument is based on misunderstanding and lack of research.

I hardly ever post here.
My argument is on death penalty id personal bias, and your against is too, hence I like a better democratic system.
As for FGM, I am utterly against it.
That only came about, as apparently the Middle East is somehow less moral than us, which I don't believe it is ( I called that as racist).
Sure they have their issues, and so do we. Though to say we are better than them, which why FGM was brought about, is utterly wrong.

 

[adlplumbing]

You've no way of knowing what he intended to do, or planned.
He was suffering from autism.
In your mind you think that mentally disturbed criminals should be killed, not cured.

I know many people with Autism not one would do this, that is not an excuse.
As for mentally health, sure if proven he has a mental health, I would not have them executed.
As that would not make it premeditated, as it was a mental disorder.
Though on that note, a high bar would be in place for them to ever come out of prison.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

I hardly ever post here.
My argument is on death penalty id personal bias, and your against is too, hence I like a better democratic system.
As for FGM, I am utterly against it.
That only came about, as apparently the Middle East is somehow less moral than us, which I don't believe it is ( I called that as racist).
Sure they have their issues, and so do we. Though to say we are better than them, which why FGM was brought about, is utterly wrong.

My response was to Notch.

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

I know many people with Autism not one would do this, that is not an excuse.

Mental ill health causes unpredictable behaviour.

 

[adlplumbing]

Mental ill health causes unpredictable behaviour.

Autism is not an mental illness Autism isn't a mental health problem. But if you're autistic you may be more likely to experience a mental health problem. You may also experience other conditions such as: Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD),

https://www.mind.org.uk/about-us/our-policy-work/equality-and-human-rights/autism-and-mental-health/#:~:text=Autism%20isn't%20a%20mental,Attention%20deficit%20hyperactivity%20disorder%20(ADHD)

 

[Mrs Ten Names]

Autism is not an mental illness Autism isn't a mental health problem. But if you're autistic you may be more likely to experience a mental health problem. You may also experience other conditions such as: Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD),

https://www.mind.org.uk/about-us/our-policy-work/equality-and-human-rights/autism-and-mental-health/#:~:text=Autism%20isn't%20a%20mental,Attention%20deficit%20hyperactivity%20disorder%20(ADHD)

So we agree mental ill health can cause unpredictable behaviour.
So a murder, by someone suffering mental ill health, wouldn't be premeditated.